
What Will The Future Look Like? - Theo Priestley & Bronwyn Williams | Modern Wisdom Podcast 330
Theo Priestley (guest), Chris Williamson (host), Bronwyn Williams (guest)
In this episode of Modern Wisdom, featuring Theo Priestley and Chris Williamson, What Will The Future Look Like? - Theo Priestley & Bronwyn Williams | Modern Wisdom Podcast 330 explores challenging Tech Utopias: Reclaiming Agency Over Humanity’s Real Future Theo Priestley and Bronwyn Williams argue that mainstream futurism is dominated by wealthy, older, powerful voices selling binary narratives of utopia or dystopia, which quietly strip ordinary people of agency. They call themselves “anti‑futurists” in the sense of being skeptical, pragmatic, and focused on questioning who benefits from any proposed future. The conversation explores how automation, warfare, transport, work, health, space travel, and AI may evolve—and how power, regulation, and culture will shape those trajectories more than technology alone. Throughout, they insist that the future is not inevitable or pre‑written; it’s a political and ethical choice that billions of ordinary people should consciously participate in.
Challenging Tech Utopias: Reclaiming Agency Over Humanity’s Real Future
Theo Priestley and Bronwyn Williams argue that mainstream futurism is dominated by wealthy, older, powerful voices selling binary narratives of utopia or dystopia, which quietly strip ordinary people of agency. They call themselves “anti‑futurists” in the sense of being skeptical, pragmatic, and focused on questioning who benefits from any proposed future. The conversation explores how automation, warfare, transport, work, health, space travel, and AI may evolve—and how power, regulation, and culture will shape those trajectories more than technology alone. Throughout, they insist that the future is not inevitable or pre‑written; it’s a political and ethical choice that billions of ordinary people should consciously participate in.
Key Takeaways
Always ask who benefits from any proposed vision of the future.
Priestley and Williams stress that both techno‑utopian and doom‑laden narratives are usually selling something—policies, products, or control—so citizens should interrogate the interests behind them instead of passively accepting them.
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Reclaim agency by broadening the ‘future cone’ beyond binary options.
Instead of choosing between marketed utopia or dystopia, individuals and communities should explore multiple possible, probable, and preferable futures and insist on having a stake in shaping them.
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Democratized technology also democratizes destructive power.
As tools like drones, cyber‑weapons, bio‑engineering, and 3D printing spread, the attack surface widens and individuals or small groups can cause disproportionate harm, demanding new thinking about regulation, responsibility, and resilience.
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We’re drifting toward neo‑feudalism and privatized protection.
The combination of weakened states, concentrated private wealth, crypto‑enabled power, and private security/armies risks a world where ordinary people must ‘subscribe’ to powerful actors for physical and digital protection.
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Automation will expose ‘bullshit jobs’ but won’t end meaningful work.
They predict a post‑job, not post‑work world: routine white‑collar and rent‑seeking roles are most at risk, while embodied, caring, and truly value‑adding roles will remain—and individuals will need to prove their value rather than rely on salaries.
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Universal Basic Income can easily become a tool of control.
Tied to surveillance (e. ...
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Superintelligent AGI is far less certain than human self‑modification.
Both guests doubt we understand consciousness well enough to engineer true AGI soon but see human biological and cognitive enhancement as much more imminent—and potentially just as destabilizing to what it means to be human.
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Notable Quotes
“The future always comes with an agenda.”
— Bronwyn Williams
“There are a lot of people sleepwalking into the future, completely unaware of all the good things that are happening, but besotted with all the bad things the algorithms serve up.”
— Theo Priestley
“As long as your ability to survive is dependent on someone else, he who feeds you owns you.”
— Bronwyn Williams
“We are working towards a post‑job world, but not a post‑work world.”
— Bronwyn Williams
“Space is very hard. Failure is always going to be on a big scale.”
— Theo Priestley
Questions Answered in This Episode
How can ordinary citizens practically ‘reclaim agency’ over the future when political and tech elites dominate the narratives and infrastructure?
Theo Priestley and Bronwyn Williams argue that mainstream futurism is dominated by wealthy, older, powerful voices selling binary narratives of utopia or dystopia, which quietly strip ordinary people of agency. ...
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What governance models could balance the benefits of decentralization with the need to prevent catastrophic misuse of widely available technologies?
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If salaried jobs become undesirable and scarce, how should education and social safety nets be redesigned to support a post‑job but not post‑work society?
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Where should we draw ethical lines on life extension, biosurveillance, and behavior‑conditioned benefits like UBI to avoid slipping into soft totalitarianism?
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Is human augmentation more dangerous—or more promising—than artificial general intelligence in terms of long‑term existential risk and human flourishing?
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Nobody really questions a lot of what is being said. So we all tend to be distracted by the shiny objects and the, the lovely futures that are painted for us, augmented reality. We're gonna live in virtu- with virtual avatars, and spend virtual money and things like that. But no one really sort of questions whether this is actually the best way to resolve or solve some of humanity's biggest challenges.
What's an anti-futurist?
(laughs) I get asked this all the time. It's a little bit of marketing spin. I think it, it goes to, uh, uh, perhaps Bronwen and I's, um, our, our particular, uh, viewpoint of the future, which is, if you look at the pop culture futurists like Dia- Peter Diamandis and Ray Kurzweil, they paint a very specific, uh, uh, version of utopia, which is everyone will merge in, w- merge with machines and become one with the singularity. Um, and my particular take is more akin to I cast a, a large dollop of cynicism, um, on top of all of it, and just, and, and kind of sort of take a step back and say, "Well, is this really, you know, the preferred version that we want to actually prescribe to? And, and why, why should we believe that these two men or these particular futurists who sh- have the loudest voice are the right ones that we should be following?" So my take on futurism or anti-futurism is really a more pragmatic and realistic approach, uh, borne out of the fact I used to be a chief evangelist of a technology company. So I used to put on a lot of the spin and the happy version, you know, happy clappy version and stuff like that, and hug trees. And now I hug trees because, you know, the trees are disappearing, and I realize that, you know, technology is, uh, isn't as, uh, rosy as what other people paint it to be. So I kind of take, um, a very sort of, um, negative stance, in a sense, towards, uh, these particular futures other people want us to, to, to prescribe and, and, and walk towards, uh, with blinkers on, in a sense.
What are your main criticisms of the status quo, the, the dominant guard-
(laughs)
... ideology for futurism?
Um, s- uh, I, I don't think there are enough younger voices in the room, for one. So my criticism for futurism in general is there aren't enough younger voices in the room. Um, so it tends to be sort of old fuddy-duddy guard, um, that kind of sort of has a very sort of, um, you know, uh, I, I would guess blinkered and old way of manifesting what they believe is a future, uh, f- fit for humanity. The second thing is, uh, which, uh, uh, goes towards Bronwen and I's, um, you know, uh, very sort of strong stance is that nobody really questions, um, I think, a lot of what is being said. So we all tend to be distracted by the shiny objects and the, the lovely futures that are painted for us, augmented reality. We're gonna live in virtu- with virtual avatars and spend virtual money and things like that. But no one really sort of questions whether this is actually the best way to resolve or solve some of humanity's biggest challenges, like poverty, uh, homelessness, you know, inequality, you know, our, our sense of self or what we are worth as people. So, um, I would, you know, my other criticism apart from, let's speak to the younger people behind us who want to take, have a stake in that, um, that future is let's actually stop and question each particular step along the way and just ask, is this the right step that we take? And it goes towards the, you know, the future cone scenario where I think a lot of them are, rather than looking at the preferable future, they're, they're away wandering off, um, along the, um, you know, the, the, the one that they, th- that they kind of prefer themselves. So that is, again, it goes back to that biased view again. This is the one I want, but it's not, might not be the future that everybody wants. And it'd be nice for people to just stop and question that. Go for it. (laughs)
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