Do We Have The Right To Die If We're Terminally Ill? - Diane Rehm | Modern Wisdom Podcast 288

Do We Have The Right To Die If We're Terminally Ill? - Diane Rehm | Modern Wisdom Podcast 288

Modern WisdomFeb 27, 202151m

Diane Rehm (guest), Chris Williamson (host), Diane Rehm (guest)

Personal experiences with death and their role in shaping Diane Rehm’s viewsLegal framework of medical aid in dying in the U.S. and selected European countriesEthical distinctions between assisted dying, euthanasia, treatment withdrawal, and suicideReligious, medical, disability, and racial justice opposition to assisted dying lawsPractical barriers to accessing assisted dying (geography, cost, residency requirements)The importance of early, explicit family conversations about end-of-life wishesCultural denial of death and using mortality awareness to live more intentionally

In this episode of Modern Wisdom, featuring Diane Rehm and Chris Williamson, Do We Have The Right To Die If We're Terminally Ill? - Diane Rehm | Modern Wisdom Podcast 288 explores confronting Death: Choice, Dignity, And The Right To Die Diane Rehm discusses medical aid in dying, drawing on deeply personal experiences with the prolonged suffering of her mother and husband to explain why she advocates for end-of-life choice. She outlines how assisted dying laws work in parts of the U.S. and Europe, distinguishing them from euthanasia and from conventional notions of suicide. The conversation explores religious, medical, disability, and racial justice objections, emphasizing the mistrust and ethical complexity involved. Above all, Rehm and Williamson argue that honest, early conversations about death and end-of-life wishes are essential for achieving a dignified, less traumatic death for patients and their families.

Confronting Death: Choice, Dignity, And The Right To Die

Diane Rehm discusses medical aid in dying, drawing on deeply personal experiences with the prolonged suffering of her mother and husband to explain why she advocates for end-of-life choice. She outlines how assisted dying laws work in parts of the U.S. and Europe, distinguishing them from euthanasia and from conventional notions of suicide. The conversation explores religious, medical, disability, and racial justice objections, emphasizing the mistrust and ethical complexity involved. Above all, Rehm and Williamson argue that honest, early conversations about death and end-of-life wishes are essential for achieving a dignified, less traumatic death for patients and their families.

Key Takeaways

Plan and talk about end-of-life wishes long before a crisis.

Rehm stresses that waiting until a stroke, heart attack, or terminal diagnosis is ‘too late’ for a clear, calm discussion; multiple conversations while everyone is healthy give families guidance when it’s most needed.

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Understand your local laws on medical aid in dying and treatment refusal.

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Clarify and document your preferences with doctors, lawyers, and family.

Advance directives, DNR orders, and explicit conversations with physicians and loved ones reduce the risk of unwanted resuscitation or aggressive treatment that prolongs suffering.

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Recognize that control and peace of mind often matter more than the pill itself.

About one-third of patients who obtain life-ending medication never use it; simply having the option reassures them that they can avoid unbearable suffering if it arises.

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Engage respectfully with moral and cultural objections to assisted dying.

Opposition from the Catholic Church, parts of the medical profession, some disabled advocates, and many Black Americans often stems from sincere beliefs about sanctity of life, physician roles, and mistrust rooted in historical abuse.

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Use mortality awareness to sharpen how you live today.

Williamson connects Stoic ‘memento mori’ to these discussions, arguing that facing death honestly is a powerful motivator to seek joy and meaning now, not in some deferred future.

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Build community literacy around death through groups and shared resources.

Rehm points to ‘death cafes’ and organizations like Compassion & Choices and Death with Dignity as tools to normalize talking about death and to help people learn how to start these conversations.

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Notable Quotes

It is the last taboo. It is the one thing nobody relishes talking about.

Diane Rehm

We, as adults, must reach a point where we are not only willing to talk about [death], we need to plan for it.

Diane Rehm

I ask that you support me as I make my own decision for what I want at the end of life.

Diane Rehm

Imagining watching someone that you love go through a week and a half water fasted, with no medication, whilst going through a ton of pain... it's about as stark of a contrast to the good death that you described earlier.

Chris Williamson

Meditating on death and thinking about what happens at the end is one of the best ways that we can remind ourselves why life’s worth living.

Chris Williamson

Questions Answered in This Episode

Where should the ethical line be drawn between respecting patient autonomy and protecting vulnerable populations from coercion or subtle pressure to die?

Diane Rehm discusses medical aid in dying, drawing on deeply personal experiences with the prolonged suffering of her mother and husband to explain why she advocates for end-of-life choice. ...

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How can legal systems design assisted dying laws that both prevent abuse and avoid cruel technicalities, such as requiring self-administration from people with severe physical limitations?

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In what ways can healthcare institutions rebuild trust with communities—especially Black Americans and disabled people—so that end-of-life options are seen as fair and safe?

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How might more open, systematic conversations about death in families, schools, and religious spaces change our broader culture’s relationship with mortality?

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Is there a moral difference between giving a patient medication to hasten death and withholding or withdrawing treatment that will indirectly lead to death, and if so, what is it based on?

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Diane Rehm

It is the last taboo. It is the one thing nobody relishes talking about. (airplane whoosh)

Chris Williamson

Why did you write a book about people's right to die?

Diane Rehm

Understand, please, that first came the documentary, and then we were a year into the documentary, which I both narrate and I am the interviewer, when I decided to write the book based on the documentary. So, just to be clear, the documentary came first. The book is representing 25 or so of the 50 interviews that I did during the film process around the country. And I think, Chris, it goes way back. Um, my mother died at 49. I was 19. She had liver cancer. She was in terrible pain and begged to die, and nobody listened, and she suffered. My father died 11 months later of a broken heart. When my husband of 54 years, my late husband, John Rehm, and I were married, his father and mother were both alive, and then at age 72, his father, who was living alone on a farm in Pennsylvania after having had a career in journalism, had diabetic retinopathy. He could no longer see, and he took his own life. And then, at age 92, my mother-in-law, who had terrible back pains, terrible headaches about which nothing could be done that she was willing to do, for example, surgery, she took her own life. So, the idea of making a decision about your own life and when it should end has really been in my mind for a very long time.

Chris Williamson

This is a very uncomfortable topic for most people to discuss, isn't it?

Diane Rehm

Most people would rather not talk about death. I can remember speaking at a church in Upstate New York, and there were about 350 people in the congregation, and I started out by saying, "How many of you are planning not to die?" And of course, there was this little titter within the congregation, a nervous titter. People really don't wanna talk about death. It is the last taboo. They would rather pretend it's never going to happen, as children do, but we, as adults, must reach a point where we are not only willing to talk about it, we need to plan for it so that we, if we choose not to, don't end up in a hospital attached to all kinds of tubes and oxygen and seeing/hearing nothing, just dying. Who wants to do that? Not I. I want to be in my own bed. I want to be in my own home with my husband, my children, my grandchildren with me, and I want to be able to say goodbye and tell them how much I love them, so I am planning ahead. And truly, Chris, the purpose of both the documentary and the book are to get people to talk about what it is they want at the end of life.

Chris Williamson

What is stopping people from having that kind of a death at home with the family around them? Why aren't people having that kind of a death at the moment?

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