
12 Key Factors That Determine Your Attractiveness - Macken Murphy
Chris Williamson (host), Macken Murphy (guest), Narrator, Narrator, Narrator
In this episode of Modern Wisdom, featuring Chris Williamson and Macken Murphy, 12 Key Factors That Determine Your Attractiveness - Macken Murphy explores what Women Really Want: Face, Body, Status, and Hidden Trade‑Offs Chris Williamson and researcher Macken Murphy unpack what actually makes men and women physically attractive, drawing on evolutionary psychology and human behavioral ecology. They explain why facial averageness, symmetry, and certain body features signal underlying health and mate quality, while also challenging popular online beliefs about hyper-masculinity, height, BMI, tattoos, beards, and more.
What Women Really Want: Face, Body, Status, and Hidden Trade‑Offs
Chris Williamson and researcher Macken Murphy unpack what actually makes men and women physically attractive, drawing on evolutionary psychology and human behavioral ecology. They explain why facial averageness, symmetry, and certain body features signal underlying health and mate quality, while also challenging popular online beliefs about hyper-masculinity, height, BMI, tattoos, beards, and more.
The discussion contrasts stated preferences (what people say they want) with revealed preferences (what they actually choose), showing how environment, culture, resource security, and developmental history shape attraction. They also explore sex differences in mate preferences, including women’s sensitivity to resources and safety versus men’s focus on youth and beauty.
Throughout, they debunk viral manosphere and black‑pill narratives (e.g., ultra-masculine faces, body count double standards, fixed BMI preferences), arguing that human mate choice is highly flexible and context-dependent rather than governed by simplistic rules.
They end by situating evolutionary psychology alongside behavioral ecology, emphasizing that to really understand modern dating you must account for both evolved psychology and current socioecological conditions.
Key Takeaways
Facial averageness and symmetry are robust but modest predictors of attractiveness.
Composite faces (statistical averages of many faces) and symmetrical faces tend to be rated more attractive because they’re easier to process and likely reflect developmental stability and absence of major genetic or environmental insults.
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Hyper-masculine male faces aren’t universally preferred; slight femininity can be attractive.
Despite Giga Chad memes, evidence suggests women often prefer men with more average or even slightly feminine facial features, especially for long‑term relationships, likely due to perceived lower aggression and higher cooperative parenting potential.
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Beards don’t have a simple effect, but heavy stubble is consistently attractive.
Studies on beards are split; some favor clean-shaven, others full beards, but heavy stubble repeatedly comes out as most attractive, probably because it signals the capacity for masculinity (can grow a beard) plus self‑control, grooming, and refinement.
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Ideal female body size and shape shift with resource security and stress.
In wealthy, food‑secure societies, thinner female bodies are preferred; in harsher or scarcer ecologies (or even when people are temporarily hungry), men prefer heavier women, likely because body fat signals the ability to survive scarcity and maintain fertility.
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Women are more selective but weight physical looks less than men overall.
Women tend to be choosier and find a smaller subset of men physically attractive, but they prioritize traits like resources, reliability, and personality more than men do, whereas men more strongly weight youth and beauty when choosing mates.
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Stated preferences often diverge from behavior, so both must be studied.
People say they care most about kindness and loyalty, yet in speed‑dating and vignette studies physical attractiveness strongly drives choices; similarly, men claim not to mind women’s education or income, but in practice assortative mating by status and education is very strong.
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Many viral dating memes misrepresent the science, especially around body count and hypergamy.
Past promiscuity predicts relationship risks for both sexes, not just women, and while women do show stronger preferences for status/resources, those preferences are flexible and change with culture, equality, and individual goals—undermining rigid manosphere narratives.
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Notable Quotes
“Beauty is a shortcut signal of your mate value.”
— Macken Murphy
“Most men are attracted to most women; most women are attracted to a subset of men.”
— Macken Murphy
“We like to think of beauty as this extremely shallow thing to care about, but the reason we care about beauty in the first place is because it often signals deeper things.”
— Macken Murphy
“Human children take a long time to take care of. That’s one reason women generally aren’t fawning over 60‑year‑old men.”
— Macken Murphy
“If you really want to understand human mating behavior, you don’t want to say something as blunt as, ‘Watch what they do, not what they say.’ You want to combine both.”
— Macken Murphy
Questions Answered in This Episode
How might your own upbringing and resource background have unconsciously shaped the body types and traits you find attractive?
Chris Williamson and researcher Macken Murphy unpack what actually makes men and women physically attractive, drawing on evolutionary psychology and human behavioral ecology. ...
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In what ways do you think your stated preferences in a partner differ from the people you actually choose or date?
The discussion contrasts stated preferences (what people say they want) with revealed preferences (what they actually choose), showing how environment, culture, resource security, and developmental history shape attraction. ...
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If beauty is a shortcut signal of deeper qualities like health and reliability, how much effort should we ethically invest in improving our appearance versus our character?
Throughout, they debunk viral manosphere and black‑pill narratives (e. ...
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How should modern couples navigate traditional preferences for male status and female youth/beauty in an era of rising female education and income?
They end by situating evolutionary psychology alongside behavioral ecology, emphasizing that to really understand modern dating you must account for both evolved psychology and current socioecological conditions.
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Which popular dating or manosphere narratives that you’ve believed might need re‑examining in light of the context‑dependent findings discussed here?
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Transcript Preview
Just be attractive, bro is like the biggest meme-
Yes.
... in online dating-
Yeah.
... at the moment. What actually makes an attractive face?
Well, there's a couple things that come up again and again in the literature, and then there's also a couple things that I think men think are very attractive and are surprised when they find out that women don't actually necessarily care about it. Now that- that's not to say, we'll, we'll get into the weeds, but that's, that's not to say that men are necessarily wrong to want to look like that, right? It's just that it's not the attractiveness component. So a couple things that come up a lot are averageness, right? And that's mathematical averageness. So having a nose that is of average size, shape, and placement. So some people think average and they're like, oh, normal. And it's like a person with a very average looking face, meaning a face that would be the result of a composite of many faces superimposed on each other, a person with that sort of face would look like a model, right? They, they, you- if you superimpose a set of faces, the face that results from it will be more attractive than any individual in that set, right? And they, they, we can talk if you want, uh, I know that you're interested in this sort of thing as to the possible evolutionary and also just social reasons why that might be the case. Uh, a quick two theories would be maybe average faces are easier to process, right? And the processing speed is pleasant. It's like, oh, there's nothing glaring here. And it's like, oh, I- I quite like looking at this. From an evolutionary perspective, it could be that the average four traits are the end result of sexual selection, right? So we're putting the cart before the hor- horse in the sense that the reason that the average nose is the average nose is because there's been so much historical selection on that shape, size, and placement.
On non-average noses, against non-average noses.
Against, against non-average noses. So the reason that it's the average is because noses that are too big get cut out. So it's really the- there- there's some re- other reason why that size, shape, and placement is attractive. And it's become the average over... 'cause w- we are the end result of previous selection. So averageness comes up a lot. Another thing that comes up a lot is symmetry, right? Uh, symmetry is definitely attractive, right? A- a- and- and it's attractive on its own. It also seems to correlate with other m- matrices of attractiveness. But symmetry comes out again and again and again. If the left side of your face looks a lot like the right side of your face, then you're likely more attractive than you would be if you didn't have that. And, and with both of these things, with averageness, with symmetry, there, there are plenty of individual cases where people have very non-average traits and are still stunning, right? Uh, plenty of people are highly asymmetrical. I, I mean, some of our, our considered most, most gorgeous celebrities have, you know, very asymmetrical faces. But these traits do matter. Uh, symmetry, the standard evo explanation is that this is a signal of, let's say, robust underlying developmental qualities, right? The, the, that they were able to withstand the insults of their environment, right? At the very least, you know that they don't have some horrible injury to one side of their face or something like that. They didn't have some horrible illness. And they don't have, uh, certain heritable genetic disorders, right? And this is something that we'll likely talk about more. Why, why do we care about beauty at all? And it's partially because beauty seems to be a signal of underlying qualities that matter more, such as health, right? So I'll note that the symmetry studies have mixed results in Western populations, right? So it's like we know that symmetry is attractive, but there's a question of like does it actually correlate with healthiness? And, and that's not always the case. But it, it is the case, at the very least, that, look, if you've had a... Like, I've got a broken nose from boxing, right? That, that certainly made me less attractive than I would be if I had had a straight one. What does that tell potential mates? It tells them that something, you know, for some reason I couldn't handle it, right? Some- something went wrong for me at some point, right?
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