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Alex KantrowitzAnthropic CEO Dario Amodei: AI's Potential, OpenAI Rivalry, GenAI Business, Doomerism
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EPISODE INFO
- Released
- July 30, 2025
- Duration
- 1h 8m
- Channel
- Alex Kantrowitz
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EPISODE DESCRIPTION
Dario Amodei is the CEO of Anthropic. He joins Big Technology Podcast for a raw, unfiltered conversation about AI's potential, its stakes, and the source of his outspokenness. The interview is part of a major Big Technology profile about Amodei, ft. interviews with more than two dozen of his colleagues, friends, and critics. You can read that story for free here: https://www.bigtechnology.com/p/the-making-of-dario-amodei We also cover Mark Zuckerberg's AI talent spending spree, Amodei's rivalry with OpenAI, his response to NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang's criticism, the state of the AI scaling laws, and whether there's a risk we'll lose control of the technology. Tune in for a candid, emotional, and high energy conversation with one of the leaders driving the AI wave today. --- Audio and Video by Matt Breetzke of Fireside Visuals: https://www.firesidevisuals.com/ --- Enjoying Big Technology Podcast? Please rate us five stars ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ in your podcast app of choice. Want a discount for Big Technology on Substack + Discord? Here’s 25% off for the first year: https://www.bigtechnology.com/subscribe?coupon=0843016b Questions? Feedback? Write to: bigtechnologypodcast@gmail.com Chapters 3:33 AGI timelines and the exponential case 9:49 Scaling update: diminishing returns, continual learning, new techniques 16:47 Scale & competition: resources, talent wars 20:10 Business model and revenue ramp 27:26 Economics: pricing changes, inference costs & profitability 36:29 Open source vs. hosted frontier models 40:10 Personal background: SF, family, father’s illness 54:15 Governance & safety: “race to the top” and the control debate
SPEAKERS
Dario Amodei
guestCEO and co-founder of Anthropic, previously a senior researcher at OpenAI.
Alex Kantrowitz
hostJournalist and host of the Big Technology Podcast covering the tech industry and AI.
EPISODE SUMMARY
In this episode of Alex Kantrowitz, featuring Dario Amodei and Alex Kantrowitz, Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei: AI's Potential, OpenAI Rivalry, GenAI Business, Doomerism explores Amodei defends fast-scaling AI, enterprise focus, and “race-to-top” safety Dario Amodei argues that terms like AGI and superintelligence are "totally meaningless" marketing labels, while he remains highly bullish on fast capability gains driven by an exponential improvement curve.
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