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Deep Dive with Ali Abdaal

Matthew Hussey: The Secret To Attracting True Love That Lasts

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Matthew HusseyguestAli Abdaalhost

Dec 15, 20221h 54mWatch on YouTube

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Discovering Self-Development and the Tony Robbins Event
Ali asks how Matthew's career began. Matthew describes finding How to Win Friends and Influence People on his dad's bookshelf as a shy kid, then attending a Tony Robbins event at about 14 and being astonished by how Robbins commanded a room.
- •Matthew found his dad's copy of How to Win Friends and Influence People at about 10 or 11
- •He practised what he learned on teachers and adults, and DJed as a teenager
- •He went to a Tony Robbins event at about 14 with a friend and his friend's dad
- •The event fused content he loved with a delivery style he had never seen
- •His theme: if you like something, find a way to get close to it
What Tony Robbins' Events Taught Him About Learning and Vulnerability
Matthew recalls the atmosphere of the event, where people danced and cried without judgment. He reflects on how coaching or speaking can make it harder to be a vulnerable participant, and on returning years later to study Robbins' stagecraft.
- •No one judged anyone for dancing or crying at the event
- •The more you coach or speak, the harder it is to be a truly vulnerable participant
- •Matthew tries to experience things as himself rather than as a coach
- •He later attended to study Robbins' connection with an audience, even his use of notes
From Real Estate to Early Public Speaking
Matthew explains how he studied real estate and worked in Shanghai, then blew a final interview, which freed him to pursue coaching. He also recounts being told by Dale Carnegie's London office that they would slow him down, and starting to speak at a men's workshop at around 18.
- •He studied real estate and won a place to work in China
- •Blowing an interview let him try coaching without having to be brave
- •Dale Carnegie's MD said they would slow him down, and Matthew heard no rejection in that
- •He helped a London men's workshop organiser and gained low-stakes airtime
"Stuff Leads to Stuff": Being Scrappy and Taking Risks
Ali reflects on young people who read self-help but never take the next step. Matthew describes his "stuff leads to stuff" philosophy, says he was willing to be scrappy as long as his core values weren't compromised, and recalls what he taught at 18 or 19.
- •Matthew's phrase "stuff leads to stuff" captures how unexpected opportunities arise
- •He admits the early men's workshops were tied to the pickup scene
- •He says over-judging every next move can limit opportunity
- •He taught about approach anxiety and deeper confidence, and could help people take a risk he was already taking
Fear, Humility, and the Danger of Pretending to Know It All
Ali notes that his older students struggle with confidence on camera. Matthew says fears grow with age and shares the story of a man in Beverly Hills telling him he had never been heartbroken. He says he fell into the trap of acting like he knew everything.
- •Older people may have more to lose, so fears can be bigger
- •A stranger told Matthew he had never been heartbroken, and he was right
- •Three tips can't get someone out of true heartbreak
- •Pretending to know it all is a mask that smarter people can smell
- •Matthew now enjoys being someone who doesn't know
Moving to Women's Dating Advice and the Handkerchief Metaphor
Matthew explains that reading The Rules led him to wonder how many women only meet the loudest guy in the room. He started a site answering women's questions and developed the handkerchief metaphor, a way for women to be proactive while letting the man feel he made the move.
- •The Rules said that if a guy isn't coming over, he isn't interested, which didn't match Matthew's experience
- •Many good men hang back and are written off as uninterested or cowardly
- •He began by answering emailed questions as research
- •The handkerchief metaphor gives women a subtle way to be proactive
- •Women reported feeling they were choosing instead of being chosen
Modern-Day Handkerchiefs: Small Favors
Matthew describes the modern equivalent of the handkerchief: asking for a small favor. He cites a study in which doing a favor makes us like the person more, and gives examples such as asking someone to watch your jacket.
- •Doing someone a small favor makes us like them more, provided it isn't onerous
- •Examples include asking someone to watch your jacket or for a recommendation
- •A favor breaks the ice without feeling like it
- •It starts the conversation at "30 miles an hour"
- •Ali compares it to indirect openers
Two Hit Theory and Approachability
Matthew describes two hit theory: have small, no-intention interactions with more people in a room so you become the approachable "third-best friend." This lowers the stakes of a later conversation, and Ali links it to non-neediness.
- •Approachability matters as much as approach
- •Obsessing over one attractive person raises the stakes and builds projection
- •Brief hits with many people make you approachable and give later conversations a base
- •Leaving after a brief interaction signals you don't need the other person
- •Ali connects this to non-neediness and the radar people have for approval-seeking
Chemistry, Perceived Value, and Perceived Challenge
Responding to Ali's point about neediness, Matthew lays out the components of lasting attraction: chemistry, perceived value, perceived challenge and connection. He explains that real challenge means your value has a price, and warns against giving people credit too soon based on projection.
- •Chemistry can be influenced by how we look, take care of ourselves and move
- •Perceived value includes personality, abilities, life and friends
- •Perceived challenge isn't hard to get, but value that has to be earned
- •Needy people give credit too quickly based on projection and insecurity
- •Someone's stats don't show they will be a good partner
Four Stages of Importance and Why Compatibility Matters
Matthew describes four stages in a relationship: admiration, connection or chemistry, commitment, and compatibility. He argues people often treat the early stages as the most important and lose their value, and he defends doing this work against the "just be yourself" objection.
- •Admiration, chemistry and commitment are necessary but not sufficient
- •Love does not conquer all; compatibility in values and the life you want is essential
- •Treating chemistry as the be-all leads people to accept poor treatment
- •Being yourself shouldn't mean holding onto what makes you choose badly
- •Matthew says he has seen women lose a decade to the wrong person, and that he has a therapist and coaches himself
Dating Advice for Men vs. Women and Redefining Value
Ali asks whether dating advice differs by gender. Matthew says to be empirical about what each group struggles with: men often tie their worth to being strong and attractive to many women, while women often feel their achievements push people away. He discusses the provider role and his own upbringing.
- •Matthew says to look at what men and women actually struggle with
- •Many men fear vulnerability will make them unattractive
- •He argues happiness is finding someone who accepts all of you, not being attractive to the maximum number of women
- •Many women feel more achievement turns people off
- •Matthew's mum raised him to believe he should provide for and look after women
- •Men need to rediscover what their confidence is based on
Unique Pairings and When Your Advantages Become Weaknesses
Matthew describes unique pairing, the combination of two attractive qualities in one person, and the idea that everyone should be an album, not one hit. He tells of an ex who found him boring because all he talked about was work, and cites Christopher Hitchens on advantages negating themselves.
- •A unique pairing combines qualities like sexy and funny
- •What we get validated for early, we keep doubling down on
- •Everyone should be an album, not one great song
- •An ex said the relationship became boring because Matthew only talked about work
- •Hitchens' point: don't let your advantages negate themselves
Masculine and Feminine Energy and Being Multidimensional
Ali asks about masculine and feminine energy. Matthew says the language bores him and argues that attractive people hold both sides, using the Wim Hof trip, his fiancée's grit at Hell on the Hill, and the idea that we can express parts of ourselves we never entertained.
- •Matthew thinks people get caught up in the language
- •Being purely masculine all the time would be boring
- •The Wim Hof trip bonded the men through vulnerability as well as hard challenges
- •Seeing his fiancée's grit during Hell on the Hill increased his attraction
- •Choosing someone two-dimensional means being happy only half the time
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How Much Is Attraction a Choice?
Prompted by Ali's "Mr. Right vs. Mr. Exciting" question, Matthew says we chase what we know and that labels like nice guy or bad boy can limit us. He warns against attraction shaped by social proof or trauma bonds, and says valuing peace over a high helps us choose better.
- •We tend to chase what we know, and labels limit curiosity
- •Social proof from friends and family can mislead people about their partner
- •Trauma bonds can make anxiety feel like excitement
- •Matthew says to value deep peace over a drug-fueled high and not to over-index for chemistry
- •He encourages following unusual feelings and judging someone's long-term offering
Long-Term Relationships, Desire and the Honeymoon Phase
Ali asks about the honeymoon phase. Matthew draws on Esther Perel's work on love and desire, explains that people are calibrated differently, and suggests paying attention to what stokes desire in a partner and giving what they need, not what you crave.
- •Matthew speaks with humility about long-term relationships and recommends Esther Perel's Mating in Captivity
- •Desire lives in the space between people, while love builds closeness
- •People differ in how much they want security versus excitement
- •We often give partners what we wish to receive
- •Matthew suggests noting what stokes desire in your partner and going beyond what feels natural to give
Wrap-Up and Where to Find Matthew
Ali thanks Matthew and suggests a part two. Matthew shares his resources, including a dating quiz and a free resource for moving on, and Ali closes the episode.
- •Ali proposes a part two on Matthew's backstory and business
- •yourdatingsolution.com has a quiz for women
- •move-on-strong.com offers a freebie for getting over someone
- •Matthew is on Instagram as @thematthewhussey

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