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Deep Dive with Ali AbdaalUnlock Financial Freedom: Secrets From A $50 Million Portfolio - Codie Sanchez
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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Codie Sanchez on Struggle, Ownership, Relentlessness and Building Wealth Through Boring Businesses
- Codie Sanchez moved from covering human trafficking on the US-Mexico border to finance after concluding that money is the difference between having power and not, and she now buys mom-and-pop businesses.
- She argues that careers are never linear and advises learning on someone else's dime at a corporation like Vanguard or Goldman before going out on your own, while saying either path can work.
- She and Ali Abdaal debate whether struggle is the key to happiness, with Ali favoring balance and play, and Codie broadening struggle to include mind, body and wealth.
- She credits relentless pursuit of jobs, value-first outreach to mentors, and giving before asking as the way she got ahead, treating asks like a sniper rifle rather than a shotgun.
- On money, she says to earn before you invest, put early money into yourself rather than the S&P, Bitcoin or NFTs, and favor ownership of businesses over real estate or speculation.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasCareer paths are rarely linear and skill stacking pays off.
Codie says anyone with an interesting career has had divergent experiences, and her journalism background gave her the questions and empathy that drove her through long finance hours.
Perception matters in big organizations.
At Vanguard her boss told her peers thought she'd leave dead bodies behind to get ahead, and the job she designed went to someone else, which taught her that perception becomes reality in corporations and pushed her toward Goldman's meritocracy.
Struggle is valuable, but Ali pushes back with balance.
Codie calls struggle the key to happiness and wealth; Ali says balance, relationships and health matter, and she concedes struggle can be in the mind and body, not only work.
Relentless, value-driven asks beat generic ones.
Codie flew to three continents for interviews, and says good asks come from obsessing over a person and offering something so valuable that a no feels wrong, rather than mass DMs.
Culture and leadership are limitless levers.
She says leaders must sell a dream big enough to replace someone else's, and that small details like cleaning up around you signal culture, which led her to let someone go over a sloppy email.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesI think if you wanna know what the key to happiness is, it's struggle. If you wanna know what the key to wealth is, it's struggle. If you wanna know what the, the key to making a lot of money is, it's struggle.
— Codie Sanchez
The ROI of you is infinite. The ROI of an investment is capped.
— Codie Sanchez
The difference between an individual contributor who does okay things in life and a leader is really, can you sell a dream so big you replace somebody else's?
— Codie Sanchez
Increasingly, money is going to become more commoditized, and attention will be the commodity.
— Codie Sanchez
A capable optimist is worth six times more than a brilliant pessimist.
— Codie Sanchez
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Codie Sanchez
guestEntrepreneur and investor known for acquiring and building “boring” cash-flow businesses and for the Contrarian Thinking brand.
Ali Abdaal
hostCreator and author who hosts the Deep Dive podcast, interviewing entrepreneurs and experts.
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