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All-In PodcastE165: Vision Pro: use or lose? Meta vs Snap, SaaS recovery, AI investing, rolling real estate crisis
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Episode Details
EPISODE INFO
- Released
- February 9, 2024
- Duration
- 1h 28m
- Channel
- All-In Podcast
- Watch on YouTube
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EPISODE DESCRIPTION
(0:00) Bestie intros! (2:08) Apple Vision Pro breakdown (20:46) Meta vs Snap: god-king CEO, dependent on ad revenue, drastically different performance (32:53) Positive signals indicating a big SaaS bounceback (41:06) VCs are split into three camps on how to approach AI investing (1:12:16) Rolling real estate crisis continues Follow the besties: https://twitter.com/chamath https://twitter.com/Jason https://twitter.com/DavidSacks https://twitter.com/friedberg Follow the pod: https://twitter.com/theallinpod https://linktr.ee/allinpodcast Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://twitter.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://twitter.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://twitter.com/Jason/status/1755273518416302522 https://www.macrumors.com/2024/01/29/apple-vision-pro-headset-sales https://twitter.com/Jason/status/1755386651080106166 https://www.google.com/finance/quote/META:NASDAQ https://investor.fb.com/investor-news/press-release-details/2024/Meta-Reports-Fourth-Quarter-and-Full-Year-2023-Results-Initiates-Quarterly-Dividend/default.aspx https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/META/meta-platforms/net-income https://www.google.com/finance/quote/SNAP:NYSE https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2017/05/26/snap-and-the-rise-of-no-vote-common-shares https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/07/disney-q1-earnings-nelson-peltz-isnt-abandoning-proxy-fight.html https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/05/snap-to-lay-off-10percent-of-global-workforce-around-500-employees.html https://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/CIK-0001326801/c7318154-f6ae-4866-89fa-f0c589f2ee3d.pdf https://s25.q4cdn.com/442043304/files/doc_financials/2023/q4/SNAP-2023-Annual-Report.pdf https://cloudedjudgement.substack.com https://twitter.com/chamath/status/1754641005851328553 https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8554397-creating-a-gpt https://twitter.com/ArtificialAnlys/status/1747264832439734353 https://blog.research.google/2009/06/speed-matters.html https://techcrunch.com/2010/05/18/facebook-launches-0-facebook-com-a-mobile-site-that-incurs-zero-data-fees https://artificialanalysis.ai https://chamath.substack.com/p/deep-dive-artificial-intelligence https://twitter.com/danshipper/status/1751005727215301053 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7waMPlHugYI https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-31/new-york-community-bancorp-slumps-on-surprise-loss-dividend-cut https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Datawatch/Housing-glut-leaves-China-with-excess-homes-for-150m-people #allin #tech #news
SPEAKERS
Jason Calacanis
hostChamath Palihapitiya
hostDavid Sacks
hostDavid Friedberg
host
EPISODE SUMMARY
In this episode of All-In Podcast, featuring Jason Calacanis and Chamath Palihapitiya, E165: Vision Pro: use or lose? Meta vs Snap, SaaS recovery, AI investing, rolling real estate crisis explores Vision Pro, AI moats, SaaS rebound, and looming real-estate reckoning The episode opens with a deep dive into Apple’s Vision Pro: Friedberg is strongly bullish on its AR ergonomics and enterprise workflows, while Chamath is skeptical of its social impact and prefers robots over more human immersion. They contrast Apple’s approach with Meta and Snap, highlighting Meta’s ruthless efficiency and AI focus versus Snap’s governance issues, overspending, and shareholder dilution. The discussion then shifts to AI investing, where Chamath argues foundational models will be commoditized by open source and value will accrue to data owners and hardware/tokens-per-second infrastructure, while Sacks outlines a bullish thesis for OpenAI’s platform/network effects. They close by examining a rolling U.S. commercial real-estate crisis—especially in office—and how repricing, refinancing, and pension exposure could trigger broader financial and political consequences.
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