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BigDeal by Codie SanchezSecret Agent: How to Read Anyone and Never Get Taken Advantage Of: Evy Poumpouras
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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Ex-Secret Service Agent Evy Poumpouras on Reading People and Avoiding Predators
- Evy Poumpouras says protecting presidents taught her resiliency, selective engagement, and keeping concentric circles of trust, and she warns that oversharing or blanket vulnerability invites exploitation.
- She argues that talking less lets you gather intelligence and read people better, and that watching behavior and admissions matters more than waiting for confessions or judging appearances.
- She describes predators as seeking easy, suitable targets, so she advises setting and holding boundaries early, projecting presence through dress, posture, and voice, and not retreating from bullies.
- She promotes adaptability and preparation, including predictable dialogue, a rehearsed opening line, and personalized prep, over an 'authentic' approach that makes others come to you.
- She rejects victimhood and the idea of needing to 'fully heal', favoring resilience, letting go of grievances, and owning your 50% of any dynamic.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasUse layered zones of trust instead of opening up to everyone
Evy describes intimate, friendly, acquaintance, and outer circles, and says that when you open up to everybody you give people the green light to take advantage of you.
Being quiet makes you better at reading people
Talking carries a high cognitive load, so speaking less lets you gather intelligence and pick up cues. Evy recalls polygraph interviews where a silent secondary partner caught what the primary missed.
Boundaries only count if you hold them
Evy says that if you state an expectation and then break it, as with accepting late assignments, you groom people to disregard you. She says you should manage your own 50% of any dynamic.
Look for admissions and label behavior, not people
Evy says people reveal small admissions that, pieced together, show the truth, and you don't need a full confession. She also says predators don't look like predators, so you should judge behavior over time.
Predators choose suitable, easy targets, so don't give them space
Evy says predators mostly prey on kids, women, and the elderly because they are easy, and that pulling back from a bully lets them dominate more. Once you set the tone for how you're treated, she says, it is very hard to undo.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesIf you struggle with people a lot and they take advantage of you, stop talking a lot.
— Evy Poumpouras
Don't label the person, like labels are for clothing. Label the behavior, and, like, be quiet and give people time to see what they're about.
— Evy Poumpouras
You don't need to heal to be resilient. Those two things are not the same thing.
— Evy Poumpouras
The way you know somebody's really tough or strong, they don't advertise the stuff they've done.
— Evy Poumpouras
When you know somebody is, like, not good, the more you pull back, the more dominant they become.
— Evy Poumpouras
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Evy Poumpouras
guestFormer U.S. Secret Service agent and polygraph examiner who protected multiple presidents and now speaks/teaches on human behavior and security.
Codie Sanchez
hostEntrepreneur and host of BigDeal who interviews business and high-performance guests.
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