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Overconfidence and the Art of Knowing Yourself

What happens when your confidence outruns your competence? Brené and Adam start with freestyle skiing champ Eileen Gu’s extraordinary Olympic press conference and use it to explore metacognition—how to notice your thinking, question it, and change it on purpose. They dig into the Dunning–Kruger effect, calibration, journaling, and feedback, discuss why we’re so bad at estimating timelines, and consider how “I’ve got this” energy can quietly wreck projects, relationships, and learning. From pickleball and ping pong to therapy and team meetings, this episode is about building the inner game of better thinking without losing your nerve along the way. 0:00 - Introductions 3:45 - Eileen Gu’s Metacognition 12:22 - What is Metacognition? 25:10 - What is Dunning-Kruger? 38:14 - Time Estimation and The Planning Fallacy 44:36 - Metacognition and Dunning-Kruger Final Thoughts 58:17 - Wrap up Hank Green: “I hate minimalism” https://www.tiktok.com/@hankgreen1/video/7100264805260446981 Strong Ground: The Lessons of Daring Leadership, the Tenacity of Paradox, and the Wisdom of the Human Spirit - Brené Brown, 2025, Book https://brenebrown.com/book/strong-ground/ Metacognition and Cognitive Monitoring: A New Area of Cognitive-Developmental Inquiry, Flavell (1979) https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Metacognition-and-Cognitive-Monitoring%3A-A-New-Area-Flavell/ee652f0f63ed5b0cfe0af4cb4ea76b2ecf790c8d Explaining the Dunning-Kruger effect and overcoming overconfidence with David Dunning, Worklife with Adam Grant (2024) https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Metacognition-and-Cognitive-Monitoring%3A-A-New-Area-Flavell/ee652f0f63ed5b0cfe0af4cb4ea76b2ecf790c8d Think Again: The Power of Knowing What You Don't Know - Adam Grant, 2021, Book https://adamgrant.net/book/think-again/ Intuitive Prediction: Biases and Corrective Procedures - Kahneman & Tversky, 1979, Office of Naval Research https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA047747.pdf Daniel Kahneman Doesn't Trust Your Intuition - Adam Grant, 2023, Re:Thinking with Adam Grant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT40PZyXWyg&t=2s The Story Rumble Process: A Guide for Groups and Teams - Brené Brown, Dare to Lead, 2018 https://brenebrown.com/resources/the-story-rumble-process-a-guide-for-groups-and-teams/ The learning benefits of teaching: A retrieval practice hypothesis - Koh, 2018 https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-learning-benefits-of-teaching%3A-A-retrieval-Koh-Lee/9db76948f8b2b37d4f2218ba2bbd4845c6582120 Hidden Potential: The Science of Achieving Greater Things - Adam Grant, 2023, Book https://adamgrant.net/book/hidden-potential/ Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments - Kruger & Dunning, 1999, Cornell University https://sites.lsa.umich.edu/sasi/wp-content/uploads/sites/275/2015/11/krugerdunning99.pdf The Inner Game of Tennis - The Classic Guide to the Mental Side of Peak Performance - Timothy Gallwey, 1974, Book https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-inner-game-of-tennis-50th-anniversary-edition-the-classic-guide-to-peak-performance-w-timothy-gallwey/7c036d8a6b88d81c?ean=9780679778318&next=t Charlotte Harpur and Eileen Gu, Final Press Conference, 2026 Winter Olympics, Milano, Italy. https://www.instagram.com/reels/DVRXSyyjmBV/

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April 9, 2026
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1h 2m
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What happens when your confidence outruns your competence? Brené and Adam start with freestyle skiing champ Eileen Gu’s extraordinary Olympic press conference and use it to explore metacognition—how to notice your thinking, question it, and change it on purpose. They dig into the Dunning–Kruger effect, calibration, journaling, and feedback, discuss why we’re so bad at estimating timelines, and consider how “I’ve got this” energy can quietly wreck projects, relationships, and learning. From pickleball and ping pong to therapy and team meetings, this episode is about building the inner game of better thinking without losing your nerve along the way. 0:00 - Introductions 3:45 - Eileen Gu’s Metacognition 12:22 - What is Metacognition? 25:10 - What is Dunning-Kruger? 38:14 - Time Estimation and The Planning Fallacy 44:36 - Metacognition and Dunning-Kruger Final Thoughts 58:17 - Wrap up Hank Green: “I hate minimalism” https://www.tiktok.com/@hankgreen1/video/7100264805260446981 Strong Ground: The Lessons of Daring Leadership, the Tenacity of Paradox, and the Wisdom of the Human Spirit - Brené Brown, 2025, Book https://brenebrown.com/book/strong-ground/ Metacognition and Cognitive Monitoring: A New Area of Cognitive-Developmental Inquiry, Flavell (1979) https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Metacognition-and-Cognitive-Monitoring%3A-A-New-Area-Flavell/ee652f0f63ed5b0cfe0af4cb4ea76b2ecf790c8d Explaining the Dunning-Kruger effect and overcoming overconfidence with David Dunning, Worklife with Adam Grant (2024) https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Metacognition-and-Cognitive-Monitoring%3A-A-New-Area-Flavell/ee652f0f63ed5b0cfe0af4cb4ea76b2ecf790c8d Think Again: The Power of Knowing What You Don't Know - Adam Grant, 2021, Book https://adamgrant.net/book/think-again/ Intuitive Prediction: Biases and Corrective Procedures - Kahneman & Tversky, 1979, Office of Naval Research https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA047747.pdf Daniel Kahneman Doesn't Trust Your Intuition - Adam Grant, 2023, Re:Thinking with Adam Grant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT40PZyXWyg&t=2s The Story Rumble Process: A Guide for Groups and Teams - Brené Brown, Dare to Lead, 2018 https://brenebrown.com/resources/the-story-rumble-process-a-guide-for-groups-and-teams/ The learning benefits of teaching: A retrieval practice hypothesis - Koh, 2018 https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-learning-benefits-of-teaching%3A-A-retrieval-Koh-Lee/9db76948f8b2b37d4f2218ba2bbd4845c6582120 Hidden Potential: The Science of Achieving Greater Things - Adam Grant, 2023, Book https://adamgrant.net/book/hidden-potential/ Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments - Kruger & Dunning, 1999, Cornell University https://sites.lsa.umich.edu/sasi/wp-content/uploads/sites/275/2015/11/krugerdunning99.pdf The Inner Game of Tennis - The Classic Guide to the Mental Side of Peak Performance - Timothy Gallwey, 1974, Book https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-inner-game-of-tennis-50th-anniversary-edition-the-classic-guide-to-peak-performance-w-timothy-gallwey/7c036d8a6b88d81c?ean=9780679778318&next=t Charlotte Harpur and Eileen Gu, Final Press Conference, 2026 Winter Olympics, Milano, Italy. https://www.instagram.com/reels/DVRXSyyjmBV/

SPEAKERS

  • Brené Brown

    host

    Research professor, author, and founder of Brené Brown Education and Research Group (BBRG).

  • Adam Grant

    host

    Organizational psychologist and professor known for research on work, motivation, and learning.

EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant, featuring Brené Brown and Adam Grant, Overconfidence and the Art of Knowing Yourself explores how metacognition improves calibration and curbs overconfidence across life domains Eileen Gu’s description of analyzing, journaling, and modifying her thinking is framed as a clear real-world example of metacognition—awareness plus regulation of thought processes.

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