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Billion Dollar NIGHTMARE! The Tragedy Of A Billion $$ Beauty Business - Nicola Kilner, The Ordinary

In this new episode Steven sits down with the CEO and Co-Founder of DECIEM and The Ordinary, Nicola Kilner. 0:00 Intro 02:39 Where do you come from? 05:36 Skills you learnt working at a big corporation 10:13 Starting your own business 15:14 Co-founders relationships 17:49 Building the best team culture 26:02 Work-life balance 31:38 Why do you call yourself 'an unqualified CEO’ 37:54 The Ordinary's success 45:14 My co-founder started acting differently 53:05 He fired me from my own company! 01:04:03 We had to take drastic measures 01:09:12 He shut down the company 01:17:27 A journalist told us the horrific news 01:27:21 Carrying on his legacy 01:28:34 Our company didn't have a strategy 01:32:19 The small details that got Deciem where it is today 01:36:21 Deciem stats 01:37:27 Advice to your younger self starting up 01:45:52 How are you today? 01:47:49 The last guest’s question You can purchase all of DECIEM’s products here: https://bit.ly/3MOAjQh Follow Nicola: Instagram: https://bit.ly/3Cfhp01 My new book! 'The 33 Laws Of Business & Life' per order link: https://smarturl.it/DOACbook Join this channel to get access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Dpmgx5 Follow me:  Instagram: http://bit.ly/3nIkGAZ Twitter: http://bit.ly/3ztHuHm Linkedin: https://bit.ly/41Fl95Q Telegram: http://bit.ly/3nJYxST Sponsors:  Zoe: http://joinzoe.com with an exclusive code CEO10 for 10% off Huel: https://g2ul0.app.link/G4RjcdKNKsb

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Jun 4, 20231h 53mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

From Startup Cult To Tragedy: Inside The Ordinary’s Billion-Dollar Rise

  1. Nicola Kilner, co-founder and CEO of DECIEM and The Ordinary, recounts the meteoric rise of their skincare empire, built on radical transparency, product quality, and an almost ‘cult-like’ sense of family and belonging.
  2. She details how meeting visionary founder Brandon Truaxe led her from a corporate role at Boots into a chaotic, exhilarating startup that eventually attracted a multibillion-dollar investment from Estée Lauder Companies.
  3. The story turns dark as Brandon’s experimentation with psychedelics and later hard drugs seemingly triggers a rapid mental health collapse, public meltdowns on Instagram, her firing, board intervention, and ultimately his death after multiple psychiatric sectionings.
  4. Throughout, Nicola reflects on leadership, culture, kindness, addiction, and grief, while explaining how she rebuilt DECIEM, assumed sole leadership while heavily pregnant, and continues to anchor the company in belonging and ethical growth.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Radical product transparency can unlock huge consumer trust and growth.

The Ordinary was born from frustration that skincare lacked the ingredient-and-dosage transparency of pharmacy medicines. By naming products after active ingredients (e.g., niacinamide) and pricing them close to cost—much like paracetamol versus branded painkillers—they undercut marketing-led pricing and let science and value speak. This clarity sparked word-of-mouth virality, turning The Ordinary into a global brand that still struggles to keep up with demand years later.

Early corporate experience can be a powerful foundation for entrepreneurship.

Nicola’s time at Boots taught her how big organizations work: cross-functional collaboration, supply chain realities, legal and regulatory constraints, and how to launch and ‘launch and love’ products, not just list them. That exposure to both strengths and limitations of corporates later informed DECIEM’s decision to build capabilities in-house (R&D, comms, manufacturing) and helped her navigate the later partnership with Estée Lauder.

Intense ‘family’ culture accelerates early-stage success but has hidden costs.

DECIEM’s first years were defined by all-consuming work, blurred boundaries, and deep personal bonds—weekends together, trips, and everyone doing every job, from formulating to packing boxes. This generated high creativity and agility, but Nicola now questions the kindness of that model in light of modern awareness of burnout and mental health. Founders should be conscious that cult-like dedication can drive growth, but also dependency and vulnerability when crises hit.

Co-founders must design for both genius and fragility in visionary partners.

Brandon was a scientific and creative genius, but also eccentric, intense, and, as emerged later, deeply vulnerable. Nicola’s calm, people-focused style complemented his black‑and‑white, high‑energy thinking. When his mental health abruptly collapsed—likely triggered and then compounded by heavy psychedelic and meth use—the company and investors had no robust contingency. Structuring governance, safeguards, and support systems around key individuals is critical, especially when the founder is the brand.

Kind leadership is compatible with high performance—but requires hard conversations.

Nicola draws a sharp line between being ‘nice’ and being truly kind. For her, kindness includes making difficult calls on performance, redeploying or even exiting people, but doing so with support (e.g., coaching, outplacement, counseling). She argues that to protect jobs overall and honor a ‘family’ culture, the business must perform; thus, leaders must balance empathy with accountability and ensure that ‘belonging’ does not mean avoiding honest feedback.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

We used to have on the wall, ‘Focus is overrated.’

Nicola Kilner

The minute it launched, we couldn’t keep it in stock… we’re producing 400,000 units every single day.

Nicola Kilner

He’d gone from someone who, there was just so much warmth, to just this coldness in his eyes.

Nicola Kilner

It’s hard to say if it’s regrets, but you always have those feelings of, ‘Is there anything different we could have done?’

Nicola Kilner

You have to do the right thing even when no one is looking.

Nicola Kilner

Nicola’s upbringing, early ambitions, and formative corporate experience at BootsFounding DECIEM, multi-brand strategy, and early ‘cult-like’ startup cultureCreation and explosive growth of The Ordinary through transparency and pricingInvestment and gradual acquisition by Estée Lauder CompaniesBrandon Truaxe’s personality, genius, and sudden mental health and addiction spiralLeadership, culture, kindness versus ‘family’, and scaling from startup to 1,500 staffProcessing grief, repeated patterns of addiction in Nicola’s life, and personal resilience

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