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Fix Your Gut Health! The 4 Foods Fueling Inflammation & Disease! - Dr Will Cole

Dr Will Cole is a leading functional medicine expert and practitioner. In this revolutionary conversation Dr Will Cole teaches all you need to relearn about wellness and how your body works to become healthier and happier in body and mind. Topics: 00:00 Intro 02:29 Why do you do what you do? 05:20 What's the difference between a conventional and functional doctor? 11:37 Why did you write the book ‘Gut Feelings’? 16:31 How is inflammation and shame related & why is it affecting us? 30:18 What does our future look like & can we change it? 38:28 Is trauma inherited & how does it impact your health? 49:00 What food should we avoid? 59:28 Ads 01:00:28 Why I stopped being a vegan 01:07:02 The best advice for optimal health 01:13:03 The emotional impact of your career 01:19:27 Last guest’s question Dr Will Cole: Instagram: http://bit.ly/3Z2Cq77 Website: http://bit.ly/3TmQur6 Will’s book: http://bit.ly/3TruCeb Watch the episodes on Youtube - https://g2ul0.app.link/3kxINCANKsb Follow: Instagram - https://bit.ly/3CXkF0d Twitter - https://bit.ly/3wBA6bA Linkedin - https://bit.ly/3z3CSYM Telegram - https://g2ul0.app.link/SBExclusiveCommun Sponsors: Airbnb: https://bit.ly/3ZDyvPD Huel: https://g2ul0.app.link/G4RjcdKNKsb Bluejeans: https://g2ul0.app.link/NCgpGjVNKsb

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Mar 20, 20231h 26mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 7:00

    Intro, Medical Gaslighting, and Why Functional Medicine

    Dr. Will Cole is introduced as a leading functional medicine practitioner, and he shares his personal path into health and autoimmunity. He describes widespread ‘medical gaslighting’ of patients with chronic, often invisible symptoms and explains how functional medicine differs from conventional care, focusing on optimal ranges and root causes.

    • Host introduces Dr. Will Cole’s credentials and mentions issues of medical gaslighting.
    • Cole’s early ‘health nerd’ background and family history of autoimmune disease shaped his career.
    • Many patients with fatigue, brain fog, pain, and digestive issues are dismissed as simply stressed or depressed.
    • Functional medicine uses tighter lab ranges, more comprehensive testing, and seeks root causes like gut problems, infections, nutrient deficits, and trauma.
    • Medications can be useful but are seen as disease-management tools, not the entirety of care.
  2. 7:00 – 17:40

    Functional vs. Conventional Medicine and Lifestyle-Driven Disease

    Cole contrasts the conventional ‘diagnose and prescribe’ model with a nutrition-forward, integrative approach. He points out that most chronic health issues are lifestyle-driven and that many physicians receive minimal nutrition training, despite seeing diet- and stress-related diseases daily.

    • Conventional medicine typically matches diagnoses to medications in a linear way.
    • Functional medicine applies a ‘both/and’ philosophy, integrating drugs, nutrition, and lifestyle.
    • Most chronic conditions are epigenetic and lifestyle-driven: food, sleep, stress, toxins, and environment.
    • Many conventionally trained doctors score poorly on basic nutrition tests, necessitating postdoctoral education.
    • Cole argues that criticizing functional medicine from within a failing healthcare system is misguided.
  3. 17:40 – 25:20

    The ‘Gut Feelings’ Concept and Cytokine Model of Mental Health

    Cole explains his book ‘Gut Feelings’ as a framework for uniting mental and physical health, especially around autoimmunity and anxiety/depression. He introduces the Cytokine Model of Cognitive Function, showing how chronic inflammation influences brain function and mood.

    • Gut Feelings explores the duality of gut (physiology) and feelings (psychology/spirituality).
    • Western medicine artificially separates mental health from physical health.
    • Inflammatory cytokines are connected to changes in cognition, mood, and mental health disorders.
    • The gut–brain axis arises because gut and brain share fetal origins and remain connected via the vagus nerve.
    • Chronic inflammation, not acute inflammation, is implicated in anxiety, depression, fatigue, and autoimmune diseases.
  4. 25:20 – 33:20

    What Inflammation Is, and How Chronic Inflammation Shows Up

    Cole defines inflammation in clear terms and distinguishes between healthy, acute inflammation and harmful, chronic inflammation. He introduces an inflammation spectrum and describes early warning symptoms many people normalize.

    • Inflammation is an immune process that fights infection and heals damage; it is not inherently bad.
    • Acute inflammation (e.g., swollen knee after injury) is protective, whereas chronic inflammation destabilizes homeostasis.
    • Silent inflammation may only appear on labs (e.g., high CRP or homocysteine) before symptoms arise.
    • Stage 2 ‘reactivity’ includes anxiety plus fatigue, wired‑and‑tired states, IBS, constipation, and hormonal issues.
    • Stage 3 involves full-blown diagnoses (autoimmune disease, diabetes), often 4–10 years after initial inflammatory shifts.
  5. 33:20 – 41:10

    Evolutionary Mismatch, Shameflammation, and Stress Biology

    Cole attributes much of chronic disease to an evolutionary mismatch between our ancient genes and modern lifestyles. He introduces ‘shameflammation’ to describe how self-criticism, chronic stress, and trauma become biologically inflammatory and discusses research on self-compassion.

    • Our genetics are largely unchanged for ~10,000 years, while diet, toxins, and stressors have changed rapidly.
    • Cole’s term ‘shameflammation’ is a way to describe how shame and negative self-talk drive chronic inflammation.
    • Studies show that under stress (like public speaking or math tests), inflammation increases, but self-compassion buffers this response.
    • ACE (Adverse Childhood Experiences) scores correlate strongly with later-life autoimmune, mental health, and metabolic diseases.
    • Most health problems seen in clinics are either caused by or exacerbated by chronic stress.
  6. 41:10 – 48:10

    Chronic Stress, Buckets, and The Limits of Human Resilience

    The discussion turns to how chronic fight‑or‑flight states contribute to epidemics of autoimmunity and metabolic disease. Cole uses a ‘bucket’ analogy for bio-individual stress tolerance, underscoring both vulnerability and agency.

    • Prolonged sympathetic activation contributes to autoimmunity, type 2 diabetes, PCOS, and other metabolic issues.
    • Some people have larger ‘buckets’ (greater genetic stress tolerance); others overflow faster.
    • We can’t change bucket size (genetics) but can change what we pour in (diet, stress, toxins, boundaries).
    • The host reflects on how modern life is ‘unhuman,’ with loneliness, overwork, and social media competing with health and community.
    • Cole remains cautiously optimistic, seeing growing interest in practices like forest bathing and ancestral health.
  7. 48:10 – 55:30

    Modern Life, Technology Boundaries, and Realistic Lifestyle Change

    Cole discusses balancing appreciation for technology with awareness of its psychological and physiological costs. He emphasizes boundaries, especially for children, and reframes lifestyle changes as self-respect rather than deprivation.

    • Cole uses telehealth and values technology but warns against ‘unfettered’ use without boundaries.
    • He cites the US Surgeon General’s guidance against social media for children under 14.
    • Loneliness, status-seeking, and burnout culture pull people away from what truly supports health and happiness.
    • Many high achievers only prioritize health once their previous ‘invincibility’ begins to erode.
    • He encourages each person to define healthy margins for technology, work, and ambition based on bio‑individual needs.
  8. 55:30 – 1:03:00

    Intergenerational Trauma and Epigenetic Inheritance

    Cole delves into intergenerational (transgenerational) trauma, citing research on descendants of the Ukrainian genocide and the Holocaust. He explains how trauma can alter gene expression via methylation and increase disease risk, while stressing that healing can also be transmitted.

    • Studies on Ukrainian famine survivors and Holocaust survivors show altered methylation patterns passed to descendants.
    • These epigenetic changes are associated with higher rates of mental health issues, autoimmune disease, and type 2 diabetes.
    • Intergenerational trauma adds to, rather than replaces, personal life trauma; both must be acknowledged.
    • Cole reframes the topic as empowering: understanding inherited burdens can foster self-compassion and motivate breaking ‘family chains’ of dysfunction.
    • He asserts that just as trauma patterns can propagate, so can healing behaviors and environments.
  9. 1:03:00 – 1:13:30

    Polyvagal Theory, Vagal Tone, and Dysregulated Nervous Systems

    A light moment over a ‘polyvaginal’ slip leads into a technical discussion of polyvagal theory. Cole outlines how the vagus nerve and autonomic states relate to trauma storage, hypervigilance, and chronic disease.

    • The vagus nerve runs from brain to gut, mediating parasympathetic ‘rest-and-digest’ responses.
    • Polyvagal theory describes three main states: calm/connected, fight-or-flight (sympathetic), and shutdown/hypervigilance (dorsal vagal).
    • Many people have weak vagal tone and overactive sympathetic systems, often culminating in dysautonomia.
    • Cole estimates that a majority of Western populations live between chronic stress and hypervigilance, given metabolic disease rates.
    • Thoughts, words, and emotional states are ‘stored’ in the body, shaping nervous system patterns over time.
  10. 1:13:30 – 1:23:50

    The Inflammatory Core Four Foods (Plus Alcohol)

    Cole identifies four major food categories that most commonly fan the flames of chronic inflammation, plus alcohol as a key gut–brain disruptor. He stresses nuance—context, dose, and preparation matter—but argues modern intake is excessive.

    • Gluten-containing grains (wheat, rye, barley, spelt) are problematic largely because of hybridization, chemical exposure, poor preparation, and overuse.
    • Industrial seed oils (canola, soybean, generic vegetable oils) skew omega fatty acid ratios when over-consumed and undercut omega‑3 intake.
    • Conventional dairy’s beta‑A1 casein and industrial farming practices increase inflammatory potential; A2, grass‑fed, and fermented forms may be better tolerated.
    • Added sugars—regardless of marketing (e.g., agave nectar)—contribute to metabolic dysfunction; watching total grams of added sugar is key.
    • Alcohol harms the microbiome, increases gut permeability (‘leaky gut’), raises systemic inflammation, and shrinks brain regions like the hippocampus.
  11. 1:23:50 – 1:30:20

    Gut Microbiome 101 and Food as Microbiome Medicine

    Cole explains what the gut microbiome is and why it is central to immunity, hormone conversion, mood, and cravings. He then offers concrete dietary strategies for feeding beneficial microbes and calming gut-driven inflammation.

    • The microbiome is the collection of bacteria, yeast, and other microbes in the gut—up to ~100 trillion organisms.
    • Gut bacteria produce or modulate key neurotransmitters and help convert 20% of thyroid hormone.
    • Microbiome imbalances can directly influence cravings and metabolic control.
    • He recommends fiber-rich vegetables, quality proteins, and broths in soups and stews (GAPS-style) to give the gut a ‘siesta.’
    • Fermented foods (sauerkraut, kimchi, kefir) can be beneficial if introduced slowly; breathwork, meditation, and forest bathing also support the gut–brain axis.
  12. 1:30:20 – 1:36:40

    Practical Shopping, Soups and Stews, and Gentle Detox Critique

    Cole describes what a gut-friendly supermarket trip might look like and critiques short-term juice detoxes as often just rebranded diet culture. He favors whole-food approaches that are sustainable over time.

    • In the supermarket, prioritize vegetables for fiber, quality proteins (chicken, grass-fed beef, fish, or plant proteins), and stocks for soups and stews.
    • Soups and stews are ancestrally grounded, easy to digest, affordable, and batch-cook friendly.
    • Juice-only detoxes usually lack fiber, causing large fructose loads and unstable blood sugar.
    • He prefers smoothies (where fiber is retained) to juices and urges people to focus on what happens after the ‘detox’ week.
    • Often, benefits from detoxes come simply from removing junk foods, not from juices themselves.
  13. 1:36:40 – 1:47:00

    Personal Diet Evolution: From Vegan to Omnivore

    Cole shares his decade-long vegan experience and why he transitioned back to an omnivorous, plant-forward diet. He uses his own methylation genetics as an example of bio-individuality and nutrient needs.

    • He was vegan for about 10 years but developed fatigue, brain fog, and digestive issues.
    • Lab work revealed issues like suboptimal bioavailable iron, B vitamins, and vitamin A, compounded by MTHFR gene variants.
    • Supplementation helped but raised the question of whether the diet itself was truly optimal for him.
    • Reintroducing wild-caught fish, grass-fed beef, and collagen-rich broths resolved his symptoms.
    • He still supports vegan patients when they choose that path but stresses individualized solutions over ideology.
  14. 1:47:00 – 1:57:20

    Designing a Healthy Life for the Next Generation

    Using his 16-year-old son as an example, Cole describes how he would design an optimal modern life: modeling behavior, focusing on foods that ‘love you back,’ and integrating fasting and meditation. He emphasizes leading by example and letting kids ‘own it’ in their own time.

    • Parents should model habits rather than preach rigid diet rules to avoid fostering toxic diet culture.
    • Reframing avoidance of harmful foods as self-respect helps shift mindset.
    • His son does moderate intermittent fasting, then breaks the fast with whole-food meals rich in plants, proteins, and healthy fats.
    • Meditation and other grounding practices are encouraged; his son independently practices meditation.
    • Cole underscores that no one is perfect; he personally struggles with anxiety and staying present, which fuels his commitment to mindfulness.
  15. 1:57:20

    Emotional Weight of Clinical Work, Coping, and Future Vision

    Cole opens up about being moved to tears by patients’ struggles and how he copes with the emotional load. The conversation closes with reflections on success, boundaries, saying no, and the future trajectory of functional medicine.

    • He frequently becomes emotional in consults, seeing the fragility of health and the depth of patients’ suffering.
    • He manages the weight through team support, debriefing, and his own grounding practices (meditation, nature, breathwork).
    • Cole sees his career as a continuing ‘nose to the ground’ pursuit of solving patient puzzles, with books and podcasts as byproducts.
    • With growing demands on his time, he is learning to say no, recognizing that constant yeses fuel unsustainable stress.
    • He argues functional medicine is unfairly labeled ‘woo-woo’ by a system that produces poor outcomes, while institutions like Cleveland Clinic validate its evidence base.

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