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Growing A 10+ Million Youtube Following At The Age of 22: Joe Sugg | E172

Joe Sugg is an influencer who, after breakout success before he turned 21, decided to dial down the parties and temptations of fame in order to return to nature and make everything more low key. Joe’s new book Grow is out on the 15th September, it goes through the lessons he’s learnt and the strategies he’s adopted to help him find balance and harmony with his life. 00:00 Intro 01:16 Early Years 07:57 Procrastination & self-doubt 17:45 The rapid success of early Youtubers & its impact 25:46 Your Youtube journey 33:04 Dealing with Imposter Syndrome 38:47 The fall of the OG Youtubers 38:49 Grow: Your new book 41:24 Your struggles with mental health 47:03 Dianne & you 54:15 Our last guest’s question Joe’s Book: https://g2ul0.app.link/NIKf94xNKsb Joe’s Instagram: https://g2ul0.app.link/JDwObYVLKsb Joe’s Twitter: https://g2ul0.app.link/0OlGqk1MKsb Listen on: Apple podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-diary-of-a-ceo-by-steven-bartlett/id1291423644 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/7iQXmUT7XGuZSzAMjoNWlX FOLLOW ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/steven/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/SteveBartlettSC Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-bartlett-56986834/ Sponsors: Huel - https://g2ul0.app.link/G4RjcdKNKsb BlueJeans - https://g2ul0.app.link/NCgpGjVNKsb Carpets gifted from Tapi - https://g2ul0.app.link/tDr1dkXNKsb Chandelier & Lights gifted from Tom Kirk Lighting - https://g2ul0.app.link/h2nesEZNKsb

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

From Thatching Roofs To YouTube Fame: Joe Sugg’s Turbulent Journey

  1. Joe Sugg recounts his transformation from a shy, creative kid and apprentice roof thatcher into one of YouTube’s earliest mega-creators, amassing millions of followers by age 22. He explains the psychological costs of sudden fame: anxiety, burnout, imposter syndrome, overthinking, and the pressure of constantly chasing the next “big wave” of success.
  2. The conversation explores his tendency toward procrastination and perfectionism, his plate‑spinning creativity, and how shifting algorithms and a maturing audience changed his relationship with YouTube. Sugg also details how therapy, nature, and his book ‘Grow’ helped him rebalance life in a hyper-digital world.
  3. He reflects candidly on starting a creator management company to protect younger influencers, his evolving identity beyond “YouTuber,” and the unexpected way Strictly Come Dancing led to his first serious relationship with Dianne Buswell. Overall, he concludes that despite the hardships, the YouTube path has ultimately made him happier and more fulfilled.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Balancing self-confidence with self-doubt can protect you from both arrogance and paralysis.

Sugg describes having a vivid imagination that lets him picture best-case scenarios, which fuels confidence, but also an inner “Mr. Self-Doubt” who fixates on worst-case outcomes. The tension between them causes indecision and procrastination but also stops him from becoming overconfident or reckless. Recognizing both voices—and not letting either dominate—can lead to more grounded decisions and healthier ambition.

Procrastination often masks fear and self-doubt, not ‘high standards’ or perfectionism.

He admits delaying creative projects because he fears the reality won’t match the perfect version in his head, leaving many “unfinished paintings.” Bartlett challenges the idea of calling this “perfectionism,” reframing it as avoidance driven by discomfort and lack of confidence. Actionable move: start small, accept early drafts as messy, and see the gap between vision and execution as part of the process rather than proof you’re not good enough.

Early explosive success can distort expectations and make later, normal outcomes feel like failure.

Coming from a period where “everything we went into turned to gold,” Sugg now struggles with wanting instant success in new ventures. As views declined and algorithms changed, opportunities no longer guaranteed massive results, which intensified self-doubt. He warns that creators who experience rapid fame young can end up in a “psychological trap,” constantly comparing everything to their peak instead of recalibrating what success looks like.

Having a real Plan B—and skills outside your main career—reduces fear and enables risk-taking.

Sugg’s apprenticeship in roof thatching gave him a tangible fallback. When YouTube wasn’t yet a clear career path, knowing he could return to a craft he genuinely loved made him feel safe enough to “try YouTube for a year.” For creators and entrepreneurs, cultivating alternative skills or income streams can reduce anxiety and help you take bolder but rational risks.

Therapy and labeling patterns (like people-pleasing and catastrophizing) can dramatically reduce anxiety.

Through therapy, Sugg discovered he is a strong people-pleaser, terrified of upsetting others or seeming rude, which fuels overthinking and panic in social situations. His therapist gave him tools: ‘decatastrophizing’ (actively challenging worst-case thinking) and using time-framing (breaking stressful events into manageable chunks, and visualizing what happens after) to get through anxious moments like crowded events or intense conversations.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

I see YouTube like catching a wave. I caught a record-breaking wave, and now I’m back out on my board paddling, waiting for the next one.

Joe Sugg

It’s almost like I punish myself by putting the things I truly love doing to one side, and focusing on the things I’m less passionate about because I’m chasing instant success.

Joe Sugg

Success can be a curse because of the way it messes with our expectations of ourselves and of the world.

Steven Bartlett

The worst thing that’s going to happen to you is overthinking—worrying about how other people perceive you. It’ll cost you sleepless nights, anxiety, and a lot of self-doubt.

Joe Sugg

Hand on heart, I’m more happy with the route I’ve gone down. Even with the struggles, I don’t regret YouTube.

Joe Sugg

Childhood, creativity, and early career as a roof thatcherSelf-doubt, procrastination, perfectionism, and creative paralysisRapid YouTube rise, algorithm shifts, burnout, and declining viewsImposter syndrome and the psychological cost of early successMental health, anxiety, and the role of therapyNature, gardening, and the ideas behind his book ‘Grow’Strictly Come Dancing, public relationships, and navigating fame

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