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Macklemore: How You Can Overcome Your Darkest Days & Hardest Battles!

In this new episode Steven sits down with the American rapper and songwriter Macklemore. Topics: 0:00 Intro 02:05 What’s inspired you to become this person sat in-front of me 08:17 Your journey with addiction 25:10 How has your struggle played into the music 33:30 Your most important record 42:46 Your relationship with social media 45:45 Advice for your younger self 50:03 The people that you hurt 59:20 What gets you out of bed today? 01:02:57 Are you happy now? 01:05:43 Your new album 01:09:59 The last guest’s question You can listen to Macklemore’s new album, ‘Ben’, here: https://bit.ly/3oJlgPH Follow: Instagram: https://bit.ly/3LbbcGx Twitter: https://bit.ly/3HgwHoa Join this channel to get access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Dpmgx5 Follow:  Instagram: http://bit.ly/3nIkGAZ Twitter: http://bit.ly/3ztHuHm Linkedin: http://bit.ly/3ZFGUku Telegram: http://bit.ly/3nJYxST Follow:  Instagram: http://bit.ly/3nIkGAZ Twitter: http://bit.ly/3ztHuHm Linkedin: https://bit.ly/41Fl95Q Telegram: http://bit.ly/3nJYxST Sponsors:   Bluejeans: https://g2ul0.app.link/NCgpGjVNKsb Huel: https://g2ul0.app.link/G4RjcdKNKsb

MacklemoreguestSteven Bartletthost
May 3, 20231h 21mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Macklemore On Addiction, Faith, Fatherhood And Finding Real Creative Freedom

  1. Macklemore (Ben Haggerty) traces his life from formative childhood moments with music through severe addiction, relapse, and eventual recovery, explaining how those experiences shaped both his art and his sense of purpose.
  2. He describes addiction as a disease driven by compulsion, escape, and often trauma, and details the critical role of surrender, 12‑step programs, and spiritual practice in staying sober and creating meaningful work.
  3. The conversation explores how pain gets repurposed into purpose in songs like “Same Love,” “Other Side,” and “Drug Dealer,” and how genuine vulnerability creates powerful connection with listeners and fans in recovery.
  4. Ben also reflects on fatherhood, nearly losing his marriage, his evolving relationship with fame and social media, and why he now prioritizes presence, service, and authenticity over metrics, expectations, and conformity.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Addiction often begins as an escape from an overactive mind, then becomes an uncontrollable ‘allergy’.

Macklemore describes his first real drinking experience at 14 as the first time his mind went quiet: an immediate feeling of reprieve and freedom. That quickly became an obsession—one drink became twelve, and every drinking episode turned into chaos. In recovery rooms, he’s seen the same pattern: many addicts are trying to numb trauma, shame, or a vague but overwhelming inner discomfort, and some simply have a strong physiological and psychological ‘allergy’ to substances that escalates use rapidly.

Surrender—not willpower—is the pivotal turning point in recovery.

Both his own story and his friend’s illustrate that the real shift comes when an addict drops the mask, admits they’re not okay, and asks for help. Macklemore’s own surrender came when his father asked, “Are you happy?” and he couldn’t lie anymore, agreeing to rehab despite resistance. He reframes surrender—not as weakness—but as waving the white flag, ‘snitching on yourself,’ and allowing others and structured programs (12‑step, therapy, community) to intervene when “just stop” is impossible.

Family and friends must learn to support without trying to control or ‘fix’ the addict.

He stresses that loved ones are as powerless over the addict as the addict is over drugs. Anger, ultimatums, and ‘just stop’ thinking rarely work and can turn into enabling or fueling the problem. Instead, he recommends Al‑Anon and similar programs so loved ones can learn language, boundaries, and tools, accept their limited control, and show up with compassion rather than resentment or self‑centered hurt. The addict usually only changes when their own pain becomes great enough.

Spiritual and practical habits create the mental clarity necessary for deep creative work.

Macklemore links his best work to being clear and spiritually grounded: exercise (especially cardio), time outdoors, being of service to others, meditation, 12‑step work, and consciously acting from faith rather than fear. These strip away ego and future‑obsession (e.g. worrying about radio play or TikTok metrics) and return him to the process. He notes that every time he has tried to ‘calculate’ a hit, it has failed; the songs that changed culture were made without outcome‑fixation.

Radical honesty about addiction and identity can transform both the artist and the audience.

Songs like “Other Side,” “Drug Dealer,” and “Same Love” emerged from his decision to drop secrecy and reputation management. “Other Side” openly names him as an addict needing to be sober; “Same Love” aligned with a wider social movement on LGBTQ+ equality. He says he wrote “Other Side” simply to stop being ‘sick with secrets,’ not to sell records, yet people in recovery showed up at shows saying it changed their lives. Those encounters don’t feel like a burden to him; they reconnect him to why he makes art.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Maybe this world's not for me 'cause I don't know what I'm doing here anymore. I feel nothing.

Macklemore

The greatest thing that we can do is surrender… to snitch on ourselves, to wave that white flag.

Macklemore

It's said that we're only as sick as our secrets. I didn't wanna be sick anymore. I just wanted to tell my truth.

Macklemore

All of these little moments, all of these mistakes, all of this pain eventually finds its way into purpose… an artist's highest form is to be able to take pain and repurpose it into purpose.

Macklemore

Happiness is fleeting… What is sustainable is meaning, is purpose.

Macklemore

Early life, first encounters with music, and desire to performOnset of addiction, psychological drivers, and the ‘allergy’ to substancesSurrender, rehab, and the mechanics of recovery and 12‑step programsImpact of addiction on relationships, marriage, and fatherhoodArt, spirituality, and channelling pain into meaningful musicSocial media, ego, and choosing authenticity over industry expectationsLegacy, purpose, and redefining happiness as meaning rather than metrics

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