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Pret & Itsu Founder: How I Built TWO Billion Dollar Brands At The Same Time!: Julian Metcalfe | E173

Julian Metcalfe is the founder of Pret A Manger and Itsu, and since he’s been a young man has been on a mission to change the way we think about eating out and how we eat. His companies are together worth over $3 billion. Topics: 0:00 Intro 01:32 Early years 06:00 The affect your parents had on you 12:01 The importance of transparency 17:44 Affection & self esteem 27:27 Was money driving you? 30:59 What was the "specialness" that made Pret successful 37:06 How I run my businesses 50:03 Selling Pret 56:14 Starting ITSU 58:01 The hardest day of your career 01:02:14 Finding out you had a daughter 01:07:14 What are you scared of? 01:08:45 Your happiness recipe 01:11:31 The last guest question Are you ready to think like a CEO? Gain access to the 100 CEOs newsletter here: ⁠https://bit.ly/100-ceos-newsletter Itsu: https://www.itsu.com/ Listen on: Apple podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast... Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/7iQXmUT... FOLLOW ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/steven/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/SteveBartlettSC Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-bartlett-56986834/ Sponsors: Vodafone Business - https://www.vodafone.co.uk/business/sme-business?cid=psoc-ent/vhub/doaceo/aws/3.22/ntst Craftd - https://g2ul0.app.link/gZ8in6Dsvsb Huel - https://g2ul0.app.link/wjmvak5nAsb Carpets gifted from Tapi - https://g2ul0.app.link/tDr1dkXNKsb Chandelier & Lights gifted from Tom Kirk Lighting - https://g2ul0.app.link/h2nesEZNKsb

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Aug 28, 20221h 19mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Julian Metcalfe: Turning Pain, Obsession And Truth Into Billion-Dollar Brands

  1. Julian Metcalfe, founder of Pret A Manger and itsu, explains how childhood loneliness, distrust of authority, and a deep love of food and people shaped two multi‑billion‑dollar brands.
  2. He argues that long‑term success comes from obsessive focus on product quality, culture, transparency and genuine affection for staff and customers, not financial engineering or short‑term ambition.
  3. The conversation ranges from his mother’s suicide and cold schooling, to radical hiring practices, generosity‑based ‘loyalty’, and selling Pret while building itsu into an affordable, nutritious food platform.
  4. Metcalfe is candid about his inadequacies and trade‑offs, insisting that embracing failure, naivety, and emotional truth is essential to creating anything genuinely new and valuable.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Deep emotional wounds can fuel drive, but they are not a prerequisite for success.

Metcalfe links his loneliness, lack of affection, and bad experiences with authority to his later distrust of institutions and compulsion to forge his own path. However, he is careful to stress that tragedy is not essential for achievement; people without dark pasts should not feel disqualified from doing extraordinary work.

Transparency and truth inside a company are more valuable than any tactic.

He argues most businesses lack internal transparency because people protect their status, pay and insecurities. By contrast, he advocates openly sharing financials, saying what you actually think, and building cultures where people can speak freely. If your employer isn’t transparent, his advice is blunt: move jobs.

Culture and relationships drive the numbers, not the other way around.

Metcalfe largely ignores spreadsheets in favor of obsessing over food quality, staff pride, and customer relationships. At Pret, practices like delivering unsold food nightly to the homeless and empowering staff to give products away for free were seen as common sense ways to build long‑term loyalty, despite consultants calling them irrational.

Empowering frontline staff radically improves performance and ownership.

Pret allowed shop teams to vote on whether trial employees were hired, and introduced ‘Buddy Days’ where office staff worked in stores. When one abusive manager was fired and a frontline worker was promoted, store culture transformed and sales doubled or tripled—illustrating how trust and empowerment outperform top‑down control.

Naivety and willingness to fail are core innovation tools.

Metcalfe insists he “had no idea” what he was doing with Pret and still regularly casts himself into ‘never‑never land’ with itsu. By deliberately entering uncharted territory, listening hard, and accepting constant failure, he created entirely new food formats and operating systems instead of incrementally tweaking existing models.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

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To create something new, you’ve got to put yourself in slightly uncharted territory.

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I love failure. I fail every day. I don’t care about it, I just get on with it.

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Transparency and people being open and honest and building trust is by far the most important characteristic ever… Transparency is everything.

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I’m far more interested in the relationships with the customer and the staff and the product. The numbers just look after themselves.

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Very ambitious people are a pain in the ass… I take a 30‑year view to everything I do.

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Childhood trauma, loneliness and distrust of authorityObsession, work ethic and the psychology of foundersBuilding Pret A Manger’s culture, hiring and customer philosophyTransparency, truth and long‑term thinking in businessItsu’s mission: affordable, nutritious food and constant reinventionLeadership style: empowering staff, generosity and ‘joy’ as strategyPersonal life: family discoveries, relationships, happiness and trade‑offs

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