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Lars Doucet — Progress, poverty, Georgism, & why rent is too damn high

One of my best episodes ever. Lars Doucet is the author of Land is a Big Deal, a book about Georgism which has been praised by Vitalik Buterin, Scott Alexander, and Noah Smith. Sam Altman is the lead investor in his new startup, ValueBase: https://www.valuebase.co/. Talking with Lars completely changed how I think about who creates value in the world and who leaches off it. We go deep into the weeds on Georgism: * Why do even the wealthiest places in the world have poverty and homelessness, and why do rents increase as fast as wages? * Why are land-owners able to extract the profits that rightly belong to labor and capital? * How would taxing the value of land alleviate speculation, NIMBYism, and income and sales taxes? 𝐄𝐏𝐈𝐒𝐎𝐃𝐄 𝐋𝐈𝐍𝐊𝐒 * Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3XbdnOI * Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3CyfvbJ * Website + Transcript: https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/lars-doucet * Follow Lars on Twitter: https://twitter.com/larsiusprime * Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/dwarkesh_sp 𝐓𝐈𝐌𝐄𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐌𝐏𝐒 00:00:00 - Intro 00:01:11 - Georgism 00:03:16 - Metaverse Housing Crises 00:07:10 - Tax Leisure? 00:13:53 - Speculation & Frontiers 00:24:33 - Social Value of Search 00:33:13 - Will Georgism Destroy The Economy? 00:38:51 - The Economics of San Francisco 00:43:31 - Transfer from Landowners to Google? 00:46:47 - Asian Tigers and Land Reform 00:50:53 - Libertarian Georgism 00:55:16 - Crypto 00:56:50 - Transitioning to Georgism 01:02:30 - Lars's Startup & Land Assessment 01:14:46 - Big Tech 01:20:24 - Space 01:22:39 - Copyright 01:24:36 - Politics of Georgism 01:32:44 - Someone Is Always Collecting Rents

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Jan 8, 20231h 39mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Lars Doucet explains Georgism, land taxes, and why rents explode

  1. Lars Doucet joins Dwarkesh Patel to explain Georgism, the economic philosophy of Henry George that centers land as a hidden but dominant driver of inequality, housing crises, and speculative bubbles. Georgism proposes taxing the unimproved value of land—and other monopoly-like assets—while eliminating taxes on productive activity like labor, buildings, and capital. Doucet connects these ideas to real-world phenomena: housing crises in both physical cities and online games, Norway’s resource policy, domain names, and digital platforms. He also discusses the practical path to implementation via better property assessment, his new startup to modernize mass appraisal, and how Georgism could reshape taxation, urban development, and even space settlements.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Tax land and monopolies, not labor and buildings.

Georgism argues that we should tax the unimproved value of land and other monopoly-like assets rather than income, sales, or buildings, because no one produced land itself. This discourages rent-seeking while leaving productive activity—work, construction, and capital investment—untaxed and more attractive.

Land speculation silently captures progress and drives inequality.

As cities grow more productive and attractive, those gains are capitalized into higher land prices and rents rather than shared broadly, a dynamic explained by Ricardo’s Law of Rent. Over time, more of workers’ and entrepreneurs’ output flows to landowners, pushing housing costs up and younger or poorer people out of thriving regions.

Housing crises emerge even in virtual worlds when land is scarce and tradeable.

Doucet notes that MMOs and metaverse projects like Ultima Online, Final Fantasy XIV, and crypto “land” games have independently recreated real-world housing crises, with limited plots and intense speculation. This parallel strongly suggests that the mechanism is structural: artificially scarce, gatekept “locations” inevitably become rent-extraction machines.

A land value tax can be phased in as property tax reform.

Rather than an overnight revolution, Doucet advocates converting existing property taxes into a split-rate system that taxes land at a higher rate and buildings at a lower (eventually zero) rate, while keeping total revenue constant. This immediately reduces the tax penalty for building and densification and shifts the burden toward underused prime sites like downtown parking lots.

Modern mass appraisal is crucial to making Georgism work in practice.

A major practical objection to LVT is how to separate land value from building value fairly. Doucet’s startup aims to apply modern statistical methods, frequent reassessments, open data, and transparent models so cities can accurately value land, reduce current assessment inequities, and make any land-focused tax politically and ethically defensible.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Land has this hidden role in the economy that is really underrated, but if you look at history through the right lens, control over land is the oldest struggle of human history.

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Someone who provides land actually does the opposite of providing land. They un‑provide land, and then they charge you for opening the gate.

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We have this assumption that you either have to be pro‑worker or pro‑business, that you can’t be both. And Georgism is genuinely pro‑worker and pro‑business. What it’s against is land speculation.

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The rent will be collected one way or another, so it might as well be collected on behalf of the community.

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None of this matters unless it works. I’m not here to defend Henry George’s honor; I’m here to explore whether this can actually be a solution to our problems.

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Core principles of Georgism and Henry George’s Progress and PovertyLand value tax (LVT) versus conventional property, income, and capital taxesLand speculation, housing crises, and Ricardo’s Law of RentVirtual land, domain names, app stores, and other “land-like” digital assetsSeverance taxes and Norway’s model for natural resourcesPractical implementation: mass appraisal, political feasibility, and transition issuesExtensions of Georgist thinking to copyright, charter cities, and space colonization

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