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Leopold Aschenbrenner — 2027 AGI, China/US super-intelligence race, & the return of history

Chatted with my friend Leopold Aschenbrenner about the trillion dollar cluster, unhobblings + scaling = 2027 AGI, CCP espionage at AI labs, leaving OpenAI and starting an AGI investment firm, dangers of outsourcing clusters to the Middle East, & The Project. Read the new essay series from Leopold this episode is based on here: https://situational-awareness.ai/ 𝐄𝐏𝐈𝐒𝐎𝐃𝐄 𝐋𝐈𝐍𝐊𝐒 * Transcript: https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/leopold-aschenbrenner * Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/leopold-aschenbrenner-china-us-super-intelligence-race/id1516093381?i=1000657821539 * Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5NQFPblNw8ewxKolIDpiYN?si=6NaTHAugT2SxZrspW3lziw * Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/dwarkesh_sp * Follow Leopold on Twitter: https://x.com/leopoldasch 𝐓𝐈𝐌𝐄𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐌𝐏𝐒 00:00:00 The trillion-dollar cluster and unhobbling 00:21:20 AI 2028: The return of history 00:41:15 Espionage & American AI superiority 01:09:09 Geopolitical implications of AI 01:32:12 State-led vs. private-led AI 02:13:12 Becoming Valedictorian of Columbia at 19 02:31:24 What happened at OpenAI 02:46:00 Intelligence explosion 03:26:47 Alignment 03:42:15 On Germany, and understanding foreign perspectives 03:57:53 Dwarkesh's immigration story and path to the podcast 04:03:16 Random questions 04:08:47 Launching an AGI hedge fund 04:20:03 Lessons from WWII 04:29:57 Coda: Frederick the Great

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Jun 4, 20244h 32mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 21:20

    The trillion-dollar cluster and unhobbling

  2. 21:20 – 41:15

    AI 2028: The return of history

  3. 41:15 – 1:09:09

    Espionage & American AI superiority

  4. 1:09:09 – 1:32:12

    Geopolitical implications of AI

  5. 1:32:12 – 2:13:12

    State-led vs. private-led AI

  6. 2:13:12 – 2:31:24

    Becoming Valedictorian of Columbia at 19

  7. 2:31:24 – 2:46:00

    What happened at OpenAI

  8. 2:46:00 – 3:26:47

    Intelligence explosion

  9. 3:26:47 – 3:42:15

    Alignment

  10. 3:42:15 – 3:57:53

    On Germany, and understanding foreign perspectives

  11. 3:57:53 – 4:03:16

    Dwarkesh's immigration story and path to the podcast

  12. 4:03:16 – 4:08:47

    Random questions

  13. 4:08:47 – 4:20:03

    Launching an AGI hedge fund

  14. 4:20:03 – 4:29:57

    Lessons from WWII

  15. 4:29:57 – 4:32:06

    Coda: Frederick the Great

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