Tyler Cowen — The #1 bottleneck to AI progress is humans

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January 9, 2025

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Dwarkesh Podcast

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📝 EPISODE DESCRIPTION

This is my fourth interview with the pre-eminent infovore Tyler Cowen – and yet I’m always hearing new stuff from him. We talked at the Progress Conference 2024 about why he thinks AI won't drive explosive economic growth, the real bottlenecks on progress, him now writing for AIs instead of humans, and the difficult relationship between being cultured and fostering growth – among many other things. Thanks to the Roots of Progress Institute (with special thanks to Jason Crawford and Heike Larson) for such a wonderful conference, and to @freethink for the videography. Roots of Progress Institute: https://rootsofprogress.org/ 𝐄𝐏𝐈𝐒𝐎𝐃𝐄 𝐋𝐈𝐍𝐊𝐒

• Transcript: https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/tyler-cowen-4
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• I’m grateful to Tyler for volunteering to say a few words about Jane Street. It's the first time that a guest has participated in the sponsorship. I hope you can see why Tyler and I think so highly of Jane Street. To learn more about their open roles, go to https://janestreet.com/dwarkesh 𝐓𝐈𝐌𝐄𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐌𝐏𝐒 00:00:00 - Economic Growth and AI 00:15:45 - Founder Mode and increasing variance 00:30:19 - Effective Altruism and Progress Studies 00:33:53 - What AI changes for Tyler 00:45:45 - The slow diffusion of innovation 00:50:41 - Stalin's library 00:53:07 - DC vs SF vs EU

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• Tyler Cowen

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• Dwarkesh Patel

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🧾 EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Dwarkesh Podcast, featuring Tyler Cowen and Dwarkesh Patel, Tyler Cowen — The #1 bottleneck to AI progress is humans explores Tyler Cowen: Why Human Bottlenecks Will Slow Transformative AI Progress Tyler Cowen argues that even very powerful AI will not produce explosive, double‑digit economic growth because the true constraints are human institutions, regulation, energy, politics, and cultural resistance—not raw intelligence. He criticizes simple “more people = more growth” and “more IQ = more growth” models, emphasizing diminishing returns, cost disease, and slow diffusion of major technologies. Cowen predicts AI may add roughly 0.5 percentage points to annual growth over decades—world‑transforming in the long run but not a sudden “singularity” in lived experience. He also discusses founder-led institutions, talent distributions, the fate of movements like effective altruism, writing for future AIs, and his main fear: how new technologies and progress interact with war and political instability.

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