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Essentials: How Emotions & Social Factors Impact Learning | Dr. Mary Helen Immordino-Yang

In this Huberman Lab Essentials episode, my guest is Dr. Mary Helen Immordino-Yang, EdD, a professor of education and psychology at the University of Southern California (USC) and director of the USC Center for Affective Neuroscience…

Andrew HubermanhostGreat Minds Dr. Mary Helen Immordino-Yangguest
Nov 12, 202638mWatch on YouTube

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Emotions, narratives, and culture shape learning—and what education should develop

  1. Dr. Mary Helen Immordino-Yang explains that complex emotions like awe and inspiration connect directly to basic survival systems through the narratives people build about meaning and reality.
  2. She describes mind and consciousness as grounded in brain–body mapping and regulation, with culture and social interdependence shaping how people construct a sense of self and interpret experience.
  3. She argues that people actively impose culturally learned expectations on perception and memory, and that narrative shifts can enable dehumanization by reframing others as less than human.
  4. She says the best safeguard against bias and divisive narratives is developing dispositions to deconstruct assumptions, engage other perspectives, and tolerate uncertainty rather than defaulting to comfortable certainty.
  5. She criticizes education systems that reward timed, individual performance outcomes and advocates for curiosity-driven, project-based learning that develops the person rather than treating learning as the endpoint.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Awe and inspiration are simultaneously “high-level” mind states and “low-level” survival-system states.

She argues that high-level experiences like awe and inspiration recruit basic survival-related biological machinery, and that meaning-making narratives are the “through line” organizing experience and even consciousness.

Mind emerges from a continuous brain–body mapping and regulation loop.

She describes consciousness and mind as grounded in an organism’s ability to represent the internal and external state of the body, with ongoing bidirectional influence: mental states modulate bodily reactions, and bodily regulation scaffolds mental life.

Development elaborates basic emotional/attachment states into increasingly abstract concepts and meanings.

Using stories about her daughter at ages two and four, she illustrates that early attachment feelings may remain similar physiologically while the child’s capacity to conceptualize and express those feelings becomes more abstract and meaning-laden over development.

We actively impose culturally shaped expectations onto what we perceive and remember.

She says people are not passive “video cameras”; perception and memory are shaped by culturally learned expectations, which people impose on what they notice and how they interpret events.

Dehumanization works by changing the story people use to interpret others’ suffering.

She frames dehumanization as a narrative shift that changes how one interprets another’s pain—from “another human suffering” to “not a human”—which makes harming others psychologically possible despite ordinary empathic capacities.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Our most high level complex brain states, mind states, are also fundamentally hooking themselves into the most basic biological machinery that keeps us alive.

— Dr. Mary Helen Immordino-Yang

We are directly dependent on other people for the formulation of our own sense of self.

— Dr. Mary Helen Immordino-Yang

So we have a kind of like a dynamic conversation happening of brain and body and mind that are kind of co-conjuring one another in real time.

— Dr. Mary Helen Immordino-Yang

Whatever you're having emotion about is what you're thinking about, right? And whatever you're thinking about, you could hope to learn about.

— Dr. Mary Helen Immordino-Yang

The goal of education needs to not... Learning's not the goal. It's not the outcome. It needs to be the development of the person, right?

— Dr. Mary Helen Immordino-Yang

Read the available transcript
Awe, inspiration, and storyEmbodiment and consciousnessBrain–body regulation and mental statesSocial interdependence and sense of selfCulture shaping perception and memoryDehumanization, empathy, and narrativesEducation reform: project-based learning, curiosity, uncertainty tolerance

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SPEAKERS

  • Andrew Huberman

    hostGreat Minds guide

    Professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine and host of the Huberman Lab podcast.

  • Dr. Mary Helen Immordino-Yang

    guest

    Neuroscientist and educator known for research on how emotion and social factors shape learning and development.

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