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How to Overcome Social Anxiety | Dr. Nick Epley

Dr. Nick Epley, PhD, is a professor of behavioral science at the University of Chicago and a leading expert on the science of social connection. We discuss how seemingly small daily interactions with strangers (as well as with people we know) can meaningfully improve our mental and physical health. Dr. Epley also explains how to reduce social anxiety using simple and easily accessible science-supported tools. We also discuss the data on assumptions — both the ones we and others make — and why so often those are wrong when it comes to social dynamics. Show notes: https://go.hubermanlab.com/NaH2OiO Thank you to our sponsors AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman Wealthfront*: https://wealthfront.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/huberman Function: https://functionhealth.com/huberman LMNT: https://drinklmnt.com/huberman Follow Huberman Lab Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hubermanlab Threads: https://www.threads.net/@hubermanlab X: https://x.com/hubermanlab Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hubermanlab TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@hubermanlab LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-huberman Website: https://www.hubermanlab.com Newsletter: https://www.hubermanlab.com/newsletter Timestamps 00:00:00 Nick Epley 00:02:29 Assumptions about Other Thoughts; Inferring Behavior 00:09:03 Eye Gaze, Social Cues 00:14:27 Sponsors: Wealthfront & Eight Sleep 00:17:18 Tone, Voice vs Writing; AI; Public Figures & Ambiguity 00:29:59 Importance of Social Connection, Communication Types 00:37:18 Social Isolation, Self-Worth 00:42:33 Sponsor: AG1 00:44:16 Social Media, Conversation & Responsiveness 00:47:52 Social Connection & Cooperation; Adopted Children 00:57:04 Connecting with Strangers, Manners 01:02:52 Fear of Strangers, Tool: Small Moments for Connection 01:08:50 Sponsor: Function 01:10:28 Connection to Humanity, Strangers; Extroversion & Well-Being 01:22:26 Social Anxiety & Changing Beliefs; 100 Days of Rejection 01:33:52 Perceived Creepiness, Social Anxiety; Developing Social Skills 01:41:40 Sponsor: LMNT 01:43:00 Initiating Conversation, Testing Cues, Pessimistic Expectations 01:47:00 Social Gatherings; Blessings of Children with Down Syndrome 01:59:43 Parents, Shame, Children Challenges; Supporting Kids’ Pursuits 02:09:17 Outdoors, Hunters, Conservation, Social Connection 02:17:39 Modeling Social Interactions for Kids, Tool: Habits Awareness 02:27:42 Zero-Cost Support, YouTube, Spotify & Apple Follow, Reviews & Feedback, Sponsors, Protocols Book, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter *This experience may not be representative of other Wealthfront clients, and there is no guarantee of future performance or success. Experiences will vary. Andrew Huberman receives cash compensation from Wealthfront Brokerage for paid testimonials in his podcast, creating a conflict of interest. The Cash Account, which is not a deposit account, is offered by Wealthfront Brokerage LLC, member FINRA/SIPC. Wealthfront Brokerage is not a bank. The base APY is 3.30% on cash deposits as of January 30, 2026, is representative, subject to change, and requires no minimum. If eligible for the overall boosted rate of 4.05% offered in connection with this promo, your boosted rate is also subject to change if the base rate decreases during the 3 month promo period. Additional terms and conditions apply, which can be found on Wealthfront.com/Huberman. Funds in the Cash Account are swept to program banks, where it earns the variable APY. Same-day withdrawal or instant payment transfers may be limited by destination institutions, daily transaction caps, and by participating entities such as Wells Fargo, the RTP® Network, and FedNow® Service. New Cash Account deposits are subject to a 2-4 day holding period before becoming available for transfer. Investment advisory services are provided by Wealthfront Advisers LLC, an SEC-registered investment adviser. Securities investments: not bank deposits, bank-guaranteed or FDIC-insured, and may lose value. #hubermanlab Disclaimer & Disclosures: https://www.hubermanlab.com/disclaimer

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May 18, 20262h 30mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Simple, real-world social connections reduce anxiety and boost well-being significantly

  1. Humans routinely misread other people’s minds using egocentrism, stereotypes, and behavior-based inference, which creates predictable social errors and missed connection opportunities.
  2. Voice and eye-gaze convey “presence of mind,” and hearing someone (vs reading text) reduces dehumanization, improves perceived intelligence, and clarifies intent such as sarcasm or warmth.
  3. Even minimal social contact substantially improves daily well-being compared to spending a day entirely alone, and the biggest gain comes from moving from no contact to some contact.
  4. People systematically underestimate how much strangers want to talk and how positively they’ll respond, so avoiding interaction often reflects misplaced pessimism rather than real risk.
  5. Social anxiety is highly treatable: real-world exposure (not simulation) works primarily by updating beliefs about others’ reactions, as illustrated by “100 Days of Rejection” and related compliance research.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Your mind-reading system is useful but reliably biased.

Epley breaks mind inference into egocentrism (assuming others think like you), stereotyping (exaggerating group differences), and correspondence bias (over-attributing behavior to stable traits), each producing errors that distort social judgments.

Hearing a person restores their “mind” more than reading their words.

Studies comparing video/audio/text show that voice increases perceived thoughtfulness and rationality—especially toward political opponents—reducing dehumanization that thrives in silent text-only contexts.

The biggest wellbeing jump is from isolation to any meaningful contact.

Using Gallup-based findings, Epley notes that spending a day entirely alone predicts markedly worse affect, with a difference far larger than sizable income gaps; adding even modest interaction (including texting) can meaningfully improve the day.

Texting is good for maintaining relationships, not building them.

Text works well when shared context already exists (e.g., spouses sending quick signals of care), but for creating rapport or resolving nuance, voice or in-person channels carry more intent, warmth, and “alive mind” cues.

Most people are too pessimistic about strangers’ receptiveness.

A recurring finding is that people underestimate others’ willingness to talk, help, or engage; mutual silence can occur because both parties misinterpret the other’s quiet as disinterest.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Social anxiety is something we really can help people with. Essentially, the strategy is very simple. If you are afraid of talking with a stranger or having a deep conversation, the way to get over that is not to simulate it or to imagine. It's not like you get up and you, you give a pretend speech. That's what psychologists were doing for years. It doesn't work because it's still pretending. It has to be real.

Dr. Nick Epley

Exposing people to that thing that they're anxious of, when the belief is misplaced, and with social anxiety, it is usually wildly misplaced, that's what we find over and over again, is a mistaken barrier to connecting with other people. That's how you, you ease that social anxiety and get rid of it. Not because you d- do, you dull your anxiety so much. It's because you change your beliefs about what other people are like.

Dr. Nick Epley

Happiness and wellbeing is a little more like a leaky tire. Like, you just gotta keep pumping it up 'cause you adapt to things, right?

Dr. Nick Epley

I take an interest in other people, so I notice stuff that I didn't used to notice. I'll throw out compliments. Any kind thought, I will share with somebody.

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I turned to him and I said, "Hi, I'm Nick." Most powerful words you have in your life. "Hi, I'm," whoever you are.

Dr. Nick Epley

Anthropomorphism and theory of mind errorsEgocentrism, stereotyping, correspondence biasEye gaze and social-cue sensitivityVoice vs text: perceived humanity, intelligence, intentSocial isolation, loneliness, cortisol, health outcomes“Small moments” connection as a wellbeing strategyExposure therapy for social anxiety and rejection fearsManners, politeness norms, and phone/earbud barriersIntroversion–extroversion and acting extroverted benefitsAdoption, parenting roles, Down syndrome as “blessing”Cooperation with non-kin and the social brain hypothesisModeling social habits for children (habit-based etiquette)

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