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How to Overcome Social Anxiety | Dr. Nick Epley

Dr. Nick Epley, PhD, is a professor of behavioral science at the University of Chicago and a leading expert on the science of social connection. We discuss how seemingly small daily interactions with strangers (as well as with people we know) can meaningfully improve our mental and physical health. Dr. Epley also explains how to reduce social anxiety using simple and easily accessible science-supported tools. We also discuss the data on assumptions — both the ones we and others make — and why so often those are wrong when it comes to social dynamics. Show notes: https://go.hubermanlab.com/NaH2OiO Thank you to our sponsors AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman Wealthfront*: https://wealthfront.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/huberman Function: https://functionhealth.com/huberman LMNT: https://drinklmnt.com/huberman Follow Huberman Lab Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hubermanlab Threads: https://www.threads.net/@hubermanlab X: https://x.com/hubermanlab Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hubermanlab TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@hubermanlab LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-huberman Website: https://www.hubermanlab.com Newsletter: https://www.hubermanlab.com/newsletter Timestamps 00:00:00 Nick Epley 00:02:29 Assumptions about Other Thoughts; Inferring Behavior 00:09:03 Eye Gaze, Social Cues 00:14:27 Sponsors: Wealthfront & Eight Sleep 00:17:18 Tone, Voice vs Writing; AI; Public Figures & Ambiguity 00:29:59 Importance of Social Connection, Communication Types 00:37:18 Social Isolation, Self-Worth 00:42:33 Sponsor: AG1 00:44:16 Social Media, Conversation & Responsiveness 00:47:52 Social Connection & Cooperation; Adopted Children 00:57:04 Connecting with Strangers, Manners 01:02:52 Fear of Strangers, Tool: Small Moments for Connection 01:08:50 Sponsor: Function 01:10:28 Connection to Humanity, Strangers; Extroversion & Well-Being 01:22:26 Social Anxiety & Changing Beliefs; 100 Days of Rejection 01:33:52 Perceived Creepiness, Social Anxiety; Developing Social Skills 01:41:40 Sponsor: LMNT 01:43:00 Initiating Conversation, Testing Cues, Pessimistic Expectations 01:47:00 Social Gatherings; Blessings of Children with Down Syndrome 01:59:43 Parents, Shame, Children Challenges; Supporting Kids’ Pursuits 02:09:17 Outdoors, Hunters, Conservation, Social Connection 02:17:39 Modeling Social Interactions for Kids, Tool: Habits Awareness 02:27:42 Zero-Cost Support, YouTube, Spotify & Apple Follow, Reviews & Feedback, Sponsors, Protocols Book, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter *This experience may not be representative of other Wealthfront clients, and there is no guarantee of future performance or success. Experiences will vary. Andrew Huberman receives cash compensation from Wealthfront Brokerage for paid testimonials in his podcast, creating a conflict of interest. The Cash Account, which is not a deposit account, is offered by Wealthfront Brokerage LLC, member FINRA/SIPC. Wealthfront Brokerage is not a bank. The base APY is 3.30% on cash deposits as of January 30, 2026, is representative, subject to change, and requires no minimum. If eligible for the overall boosted rate of 4.05% offered in connection with this promo, your boosted rate is also subject to change if the base rate decreases during the 3 month promo period. Additional terms and conditions apply, which can be found on Wealthfront.com/Huberman. Funds in the Cash Account are swept to program banks, where it earns the variable APY. Same-day withdrawal or instant payment transfers may be limited by destination institutions, daily transaction caps, and by participating entities such as Wells Fargo, the RTP® Network, and FedNow® Service. New Cash Account deposits are subject to a 2-4 day holding period before becoming available for transfer. Investment advisory services are provided by Wealthfront Advisers LLC, an SEC-registered investment adviser. Securities investments: not bank deposits, bank-guaranteed or FDIC-insured, and may lose value. #hubermanlab Disclaimer & Disclosures: https://www.hubermanlab.com/disclaimer

Dr. Nick EpleyguestAndrew Hubermanhost
May 18, 20262h 30mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. Exposure, not imagination: the core tool for reducing social anxiety

    Epley opens with the key claim that social anxiety is often driven by mistaken beliefs about rejection. The most effective approach is real-world exposure—actually initiating conversations or asking for help—so beliefs update based on lived evidence rather than rehearsal.

  2. How we ‘read minds’: egocentrism, stereotypes, and behavior-based inference

    Huberman and Epley unpack how people infer others’ thoughts and intentions despite limited access to minds. Epley describes three main inference strategies—using the self, group stereotypes, and observed behavior—and the characteristic errors each one produces.

  3. Eye gaze and social intelligence: why humans track attention so well

    They focus on gaze as a high-value cue for intention and attention, linking it to humans’ distinctive social cognition. Epley reviews findings comparing toddlers, chimps, and orangutans: humans excel not at physical reasoning, but at social problems like tracking eyes and inferring goals.

  4. Sponsor break: Wealthfront & Eight Sleep

    Huberman discusses sponsors focused on financial automation/savings and sleep temperature regulation. Segment includes product features and discount offers.

  5. Voice vs. text: why hearing someone reduces misunderstanding and dehumanization

    Epley argues voice communicates far more than words alone—emotion, mental effort, sarcasm, and the ‘presence of mind.’ He describes studies showing that hearing political opponents (or job candidates) increases perceived thoughtfulness and hireability compared to reading transcripts.

  6. Social connection as a health driver: loneliness, cortisol, and ‘from nothing to something’

    They shift from what under-socialization harms to what socializing provides. Epley highlights evidence that being alone predicts worse day-to-day wellbeing more strongly than sizable income differences, and explains how loneliness signals the body to reconnect through stress physiology.

  7. Responsiveness, social media, and why conversation feels good

    They explore why people seek interaction online and offline: responsiveness and synchrony validate that we’re seen and affecting others. Social media can provide “action at a distance,” but can also incentivize outrage; conversation’s back-and-forth cues create felt connection.

  8. Cooperation beyond kin: adoption, roles, and how commitment changes perception

    Epley and Huberman discuss humans’ unusual capacity to care deeply for non-kin. Epley shares how adopting children transformed perception instantly once commitment was made, and argues roles and context can override biological boundaries in forming family bonds.

  9. Strangers, manners, and the ‘small moments’ strategy for daily wellbeing

    They examine cultural norms around politeness and reluctance to ‘bother’ strangers. Epley reframes brief interactions as invitations—small, genuine moments (compliments, curiosity, hello) that brighten days, accumulate into wellbeing, and improve one’s view of humanity.

  10. Extroversion, introversion, and why ‘acting extroverted’ boosts mood for almost everyone

    Epley challenges the idea that introverts don’t benefit from social engagement. He reviews evidence that extroversion correlates strongly with positive affect and that experimentally asking people to behave more extroverted improves mood across the personality spectrum.

  11. Social anxiety and ‘rejection therapy’: exposure updates beliefs, not toughness

    Epley explains why exposure therapy is effective for social anxiety: it corrects exaggerated expectations of rejection. He recounts Jia Jiang’s “100 Days of Rejection” project, showing that acceptance is common and negativity rare, which shifts beliefs about human kindness.

  12. Avoiding ‘creepy’ or ‘sticky’: learning social skill through practice and boundaries

    Huberman raises concerns about misreading cues and becoming overly persistent, which can fuel anxiety. Epley agrees the skill is calibrating attention to responses—offering invitations, noticing feedback, and learning to end conversations—skills built through gradual practice rather than avoidance.

  13. Parenting, disability, and ‘blessings’: adopting a child with Down syndrome

    Epley shares a personal, emotionally detailed story: prenatal Down syndrome diagnosis, loss of their daughter Sophie, and later adopting Lindsay from China. He connects this to his research—data-driven courage to reach out—describing Lindsay’s openness as a social catalyst within and beyond the family.

  14. Modeling connection: habits awareness, ‘classroom rules,’ and closing remarks

    They conclude with actionable guidance: build small habits that model kindness and social initiative, because children and peers learn from what you repeatedly do. Huberman adds “classroom rules” for respectful discourse online; the episode ends with book mentions and standard show close.

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