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Overcoming Physical & Emotional Challenges | Coleman Ruiz

In this episode, my guest is Coleman Ruiz, a former Tier One U.S. Navy SEAL joint task force commander. He served in Afghanistan and Iraq and as a BUD/S training officer. He shares his journey from childhood through the Naval Academy to elite Navy SEAL special operations. He shares the physical and emotional challenges he has overcome and discusses his struggle with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). He also talks about the key role of mentors, family and friends in building resilience. Coleman gives us a raw, humble account of hitting rock bottom. He tells of the intense pain, fear, depression and suicidality in his journey of redemption. Coleman’s story is a real-life hero’s journey. He tells it with extraordinary vulnerability and humility. He explains the challenges and sudden tragedies that helped to ground, shape and renew him. His story will inspire listeners of all ages and backgrounds. Note: This conversation includes profanity and topics that are not suitable for all audiences and ages. Thank you to our sponsors AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman BetterHelp: https://betterhelp.com/huberman Maui Nui Venison: https://mauinuivension.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/huberman Plunge: https://plunge.com/huberman Momentous: https://livemomentous.com/huberman Coleman Ruiz Team Red, White & Blue: https://bit.ly/3vKu0Jc Liminal Collective: https://bit.ly/3PSl4bn Ames Watson: https://bit.ly/49AwCY8 Naval Academy: https://bit.ly/4aprPKc X: https://twitter.com/colemanruiz Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/colemanruiz LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/coleman-ruiz-b65a2531 Books A Fighter's Heart: https://amzn.to/43Rr1uX Mindset: https://amzn.to/3TS8CK7 Bridge at Dong Ha: https://amzn.to/3PUtmQ2 Fearless: https://amzn.to/49mTwC9 The Hero with a Thousand Faces: https://amzn.to/49rFzTd The End of Faith: https://amzn.to/3vx35k8 Why Buddhism is True: https://amzn.to/4cQuyxJ The Body Keeps the Score: https://amzn.to/4cGSDHr Range: https://amzn.to/3xuzwQH Other Resources They Shall Not Grow Old: https://imdb.to/3VPYVyy Pale Blue Dot: https://youtu.be/wupToqz1e2g Extortion 17: https://bit.ly/3U7hP2r Veteran Solutions: https://vetsolutions.org Huberman Lab Episodes Mentioned Dr. Anna Lembke: Understanding & Treating Addiction: https://youtu.be/p3JLaF_4Tz8 Dr. Alia Crum: Science of Mindsets for Health & Performance: https://youtu.be/dFR_wFN23ZY Robert Greene: A Process for Finding & Achieving Your Unique Purpose: https://youtu.be/50BZQRT1dAg Guest Series | Dr. Paul Conti: How to Understand & Assess Your Mental Health: https://youtu.be/tLRCS48Ens4 Space-Time Bridging (timestamp): https://youtu.be/wTBSGgbIvsY?si=mk4-iUrvAvGaaqFp&t=8094 What Alcohol Does to Your Body, Brain & Health: https://youtu.be/DkS1pkKpILY 90-min Caffeine Delay (timestamp): https://youtu.be/iw97uvIge7c?feature=shared&t=3224 People Mentioned Doug Zembiec: wrestler, Major USMC: https://bit.ly/3W7CB3B John Ripley: Colonel USMC, Dong Ha Bridge: https://nyti.ms/3xrj5EN Mike Martin: SEAL Master Chief, Vietnam War: https://bit.ly/3TMCY0E Britt Slabinski: Senior Chief Special Warfare Operator, SEAL: https://bit.ly/4aIaoUJ Thomas Valentine: Senior Chief Special Warfare Operator, SEAL: https://bit.ly/49sI87L Adam Brown: Chief Petty Officer, SEAL: https://bit.ly/4d1bqgT Paul Bucha: Captain US Army, Vietnam War: https://bit.ly/3TNm2XJ Sir Charles Sherrington: Nobel Prize in Physiology: https://bit.ly/3VPUL9D Timestamps 00:00:00 Coleman Ruiz 00:01:55 Sponsors: BetterHelp, Maui Nui Venison & Eight Sleep 00:06:06 Childhood, “Wildness” 00:13:24 Wrestling, Combat Sports & Respect 00:22:26 Divorce, College Applications & Naval Academy 00:29:51 Sponsor: AG1 00:31:22 Prep School, Patriotism, Fear 00:40:08 Growth Mindset, 24-Hour Horizon 00:43:02 Naval Academy, Mentor, Focus 00:52:45 Wife, Work Ethic 00:59:23 Sponsor: Plunge 01:00:51 Navy SEALs, BUD/S, Hell Week 01:04:51 BUD/S Success Predictors; Divorce & Aloneness; Rebellion 01:16:30 Patriotism, Navy SEALs, Green Team 01:22:15 Advanced Training, Tier One, Free-Fall 01:26:13 Special Operations, Deaths & Grief 01:36:08 Mentor Death & Facing Mortality 01:47:49 Warriors & Compassion; Trauma, Family 01:52:37 Civilian Life Adjustment 01:57:39 Hero With a Thousand Faces, Civilian Return & PTSD 02:07:03 Massage, Perspective, Space-Time Bridging 02:14:10 Psychedelics, Connection, Warrior Culture 02:19:15 Rock Bottom: Talk Therapy, Depression, Alcohol 02:25:50 Emotional & Physical Pain, Vulnerability, Fighter Mentality 02:30:42 Suicide, Asking For Help & Support 02:38:32 Therapy, PTSD Recovery, Dread; Pharmacology 02:44:54 Healing Process: Unsatisfaction & Asking For Help 02:54:03 Daily Routine, Movement, Nutrition 03:02:22 Manhood, Range, Parenthood, Surrender 03:10:08 Current Pursuits 03:16:01 Zero-Cost Support, Spotify & Apple Reviews, Sponsors, YouTube Feedback, Momentous, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter #HubermanLab Disclaimer: https://www.hubermanlab.com/disclaimer

Andrew HubermanhostColeman Ruizguest
Apr 8, 20243h 18mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 9:00 – 38:00

    From Chaotic Childhood To Wrestling As A Life-Changer

    Ruiz describes his modest upbringing in New Orleans, adolescent fights, and early brushes with suspension. He explains how wrestling in seventh grade instantly absorbed his wild energy, providing discipline, physical suffering he enjoyed, and a culture of respect that transformed his behavior and academics.

    • Grew up in East New Orleans in a working-class family, with pleasant memories but later recognition of forgotten hardships.
    • Adolescent “wildness” manifested as fistfights and detentions; he hated rules and gravitated toward chaos.
    • Huberman contextualizes this as “dispersal” in adolescence—neural and hormonal re‑wiring that drives exploratory, chaotic behavior.
    • Wrestling quickly became Ruiz’s identity: he loved the pain, the extremity of training, and the close combat.
    • Combat sports taught him deep mutual respect and gave him a legal, structured outlet for aggression, which stopped the school fights.
    • His grades always improved during wrestling season, highlighting how structure and channeling energy can stabilize behavior.
  2. 38:00 – 1:16:00

    Naval Academy, Mentors, And A Narrow, Fear-Driven Focus

    Ruiz recounts his unconventional path to the Naval Academy, including an initial rejection and a prep school year in Newport. He meets legendary Marine Doug Zembiec, who becomes his model of toughness and leadership, and describes living for the next 24 hours, driven by fear of not belonging.

    • Initially rejected by the Naval Academy; accepted after a year at its prep school in Newport, Rhode Island.
    • Experienced culture shock: from no guidance counselor to a world of admirals, colonels, and high performers.
    • Operated daily from fear of not being good enough—feeling he had to “earn his place” every single day.
    • Mentor Doug Zembiec embodied physical and mental toughness; Ruiz would have followed him into any danger.
    • Social and emotional range was narrow: he focused on wrestling, academics, and later SEAL aspirations, with no journaling, introspection, or therapy.
  3. 1:16:00 – 1:50:00

    Choosing The SEAL Path And What Predicts Getting Through BUD/S

    Ruiz explains why he chose SEALs over the Marine Corps and breaks down the selection pipeline from the Naval Academy to BUD/S. Drawing on his time as a BUD/S instructor, he offers an informal but striking “three-factor” pattern he saw in those who made it through.

    • Chose SEALs after a lukewarm experience at Marine training; wanted something maximally physical and water-based.
    • Naval Academy SEAL pipeline includes on-campus screening, “mini BUD/S” in Coronado, and panel interviews.
    • As a first phase officer in charge at BUD/S, Ruiz saw that standard metrics (pull-ups, run times, geography) did not predict success.
    • Anecdotally, nearly everyone who made it through had at least one of: varsity sports background, divorced parents, or a school suspension.
    • For him, divorced parents reinforced a sense that his SEAL team was his only real "family," making quitting unthinkable.
    • Suspension/“wild streak” maps onto useful nonconformity: the ability to challenge rigid rules when real-world combat deviates from doctrine.
  4. 1:50:00 – 2:38:00

    Tier 1 Operations And Living In A World Of Constant Loss

    After a decade in SEAL Team 3, Ruiz moves into a Tier 1 special mission unit, describing the jump in tactical demands with an analogy from military free fall. He then details the relentless tempo of deployments and funerals, beginning with the death of his mentor Zembiec and culminating in multiple high-profile losses.

    • Describes Tier 1 free-fall operations: 25,000-foot night jumps with oxygen, heavy gear, long canopy flights, and no lights—orders of magnitude beyond regular team jumps.
    • Between 2003 and 2011, he personally knew 40 teammates killed; memorials or funerals occurred roughly every 90 days.
    • Zembiec’s death in 2007 shattered his belief in the protective power of training and toughness; “if he can be killed, all bets are off.”
    • Participated in casualty notifications to families, including carrying caskets and delivering death messages—experiences he describes as among the worst of his life.
    • Highlights the emotional double life: fully Spartan in the field, and then attempting to be a normal husband and father in Virginia Beach amid a community saturated with loss.
  5. 2:38:00 – 3:08:00

    Leaving The Teams And The Delayed Shock Of Trauma

    Ruiz leaves the military abruptly after 13 years, expecting civilian life to be calmer and easier. Instead, he finds himself disoriented—no longer able to even access his old base without escort—and dismissive of PTSD until a Medal of Honor recipient bluntly tells him he has it.

    • Separated quickly from the command; within a week he needed an escort to even enter the base he’d just worked on.
    • Believed for years that his high-level training inoculated him against psychological damage; saw PTSD as almost a joke.
    • In 2011, Medal of Honor recipient Paul “Buddy” Buka told him directly, “You have it, PTS, and you’re going to have to deal with it.”
    • He ignored this warning at the time, clinging to his narrative that nothing “happened” to him psychologically.
    • In hindsight, recognizes this as classic refusal of the return in Joseph Campbell’s hero’s journey—resisting the need to re-enter ordinary life with what he had learned.
  6. 3:08:00 – 3:41:00

    Psychedelics, Crashing Depression, And Near-Suicidal Despair

    Seeking relief and meaning, Ruiz undergoes an intensive ibogaine and 5-MeO-DMT protocol that produces profound, ineffable experiences of connection to warrior lineages. Months later, however, he descends into severe depression with physical and emotional agony, briefly contemplates suicide, and must finally reach out for help.

    • Ibogaine and 5-MeO-DMT sessions (two days apart) in a supervised setting produced powerful, noetic experiences and a feeling of being linked to warrior culture across time.
    • He initially felt “great” afterward, but a few months later the “bottom dropped out,” leading to intense night sweats, shaking, and crippling lethargy.
    • Describes the depression as feeling like his chest was filleted open and scorched with a torch—pure emotional pain manifesting as physical torture.
    • For one day, he seriously considered suicide, convinced others would be better off without him; he describes this as standing right at the line.
    • A friend’s tough-love message—suicide would prove he’d been a liar and fraud all along—and Huberman’s advice about “foggy goggles” and outsourcing decisions helped him step back.
    • Concludes that ibogaine/5-MeO is a “nuclear option” that can blow open defenses and should only be considered after stabilization with skilled therapy.
  7. 3:41:00 – 4:25:00

    Therapy, Tiny Gains, And Rebuilding Identity With Help

    Forced by circumstance and his wife’s insistence, Ruiz enters weekly psychotherapy, offloads years of unprocessed experiences, and uses a short course of Wellbutrin to get breathing room. He gradually discovers that letting others help is not weakness, and that small, slow improvements can add up to a fundamentally new way of living.

    • Initially found the idea of therapy more terrifying than combat; alexithymia and pride made putting feelings into words extremely difficult.
    • Started weekly therapy during his lowest period and spent months simply offloading, often overwhelmed by emotion.
    • Used a low-dose, time-limited Wellbutrin prescription to create a chemical buffer; credits a friend’s analogy of glasses and gun sights for normalizing medication.
    • Cut out alcohol, protected sleep obsessively, and leaned heavily on a tiny inner circle of friends who listened and rallied rather than recoiling.
    • Found Joseph Campbell’s “Hero with a Thousand Faces” and used the 17-stage hero’s journey—especially the return stages—as a map for understanding his own process.
    • Realized he had previously tried to skip steps, catapulting himself into new “next big things” without finishing the psychological return, leaving him split between worlds.
  8. 4:25:00

    Redefining Strength: Range, Surrender, And Ordinary Life

    Ruiz explains how he now balances a demanding civilian leadership role with a drastically different internal stance. He emphasizes range—keeping his protective warrior capacity while cultivating vulnerability, listening, and non-control—and accepts that the ordinary world is not easy but navigable if he stops over-gripping and keeps doing the inner work.

    • Now serves as COO of Lids Sports Group, overseeing thousands of employees and intense holiday cycles—proof that the “ordinary world” is not inherently calm or easy.
    • Maintains physical practices (5 days/week training, sauna, careful sleep and nutrition) as non-negotiable pillars of mental health.
    • Has radically reduced extra “performance” projects (races, mountaineering) to preserve bandwidth for family and sustainable work.
    • Defines mature manhood as “range”: the ability to be both fiercely protective and deeply kind, calm, and emotionally available.
    • Warns against men over-gripping everything out of fear of losing control; sees his own parenting role as keeping sons within the bounds of ‘alive’ while letting them choose.
    • Feels, for the first time since early adulthood, that he is on an upward trajectory and is “a completely different person”—not because the past vanished, but because he can finally hold both worlds and has a “freedom to live.”

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