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The Biology of Social Interactions & Emotions | Dr. Kay Tye

In this episode, my guest is Dr. Kay Tye, PhD, Professor of Systems Neurobiology at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies and a Howard Hughes Medical Institute (HHMI) Investigator. We discuss the neural circuit basis of social interactions and loneliness. We also discuss how animals and people establish themselves in a group hierarchy by rank and how the brain responds to dominance and subordination. Much of our discussion relates to how social media impacts our sense of social connectedness or lack thereof. The topics covered in this episode are directly relevant to anyone interested in the neuroscience of mental health, work-life balance, abundance versus scarcity mindset, and interpersonal dynamics. Thank you to our sponsors AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/huberman Levels: https://levels.link/huberman LMNT: https://drinklmnt.com/huberman InsideTracker: https://insidetracker.com/huberman Momentous: https://livemomentous.com/huberman Huberman Lab Social & Website Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hubermanlab Threads: https://www.threads.net/@hubermanlab Twitter: https://twitter.com/hubermanlab Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hubermanlab TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@hubermanlab LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-huberman Website: https://www.hubermanlab.com Newsletter: https://www.hubermanlab.com/newsletter Dr. Kay Tye Academic profile: https://www.salk.edu/scientist/kay-tye Lab website: https://tyelab.org HHMI profile: https://www.hhmi.org/scientists/kay-tye Publications: https://tyelab.org/publications TED talk: https://www.ted.com/speakers/kay_tye X: https://twitter.com/kaymtye Journal Articles Input-specific control of reward and aversion in the ventral tegmental area: https://go.nature.com/3ubT3nT Extraneous factors in judicial decisions: https://bit.ly/3SLZiqL Total social isolation in monkeys: https://bit.ly/4bmL1Jo Dorsal Raphe Dopamine Neurons Represent the Experience of Social Isolation: https://bit.ly/4bAKtjk Neural mechanisms of social homeostasis: https://bit.ly/3OvNGXp The neural circuitry of social homeostasis: Consequences of acute versus chronic social isolation: https://bit.ly/48WjRYa Cortical ensembles orchestrate social competition through hypothalamic outputs: https://go.nature.com/4bmL73I Other Resources The Eisenhower Matrix: How to prioritize your to-do list: https://asana.com/resources/eisenhower-matrix Chimp Empire (Netflix series): https://www.netflix.com/title/81311783 Advice for a Young Investigator: https://amzn.to/3HO6tJU NIH Human Connectome Project (HCP): https://neuroscienceblueprint.nih.gov/human-connectome/connectome-programs People Mentioned S.M.: patient with bilateral amygdala damage: https://w.wiki/5N3g Harry Harlow: Psychologist, known for his social isolation experiments in monkeys: https://w.wiki/9562 Markus Meister: Professor of Biological Science at Caltech: https://bit.ly/3Osn3Ta Ben Barres: Neuroscientist at Stanford: https://stan.md/3HMBxtl Timestamps 00:00:00 Dr. Kay Tye 00:02:39 Sponsors: Eight Sleep, Levels & LMNT 00:06:40 Amygdala; “Valence” 00:12:43 Novelty; Reward & Punishment Response 00:20:06 Amygdala & Hunger; Social Interaction 00:26:21 Social Media & Social Connection; Tool: Email & Time Management 00:35:03 Sponsor: AG1 00:36:30 Social Media; Friction & Feedback, Leadership 00:43:44 Social Isolation, Harlow Experiments, “Loneliness Neurons” 00:51:47 Social Homeostasis, COVID-19 Pandemic & Loneliness 01:01:29 Quality of Social Contact, Social Homeostasis, Social Media 01:08:40 Sponsor: InsideTracker 01:09:42 Social Media, Relationships; Social Isolation & Exclusion 01:18:26 Empathy: Friend vs. Foe 01:28:40 Background & Empathy, Diversity, Emotional Regulation 01:34:34 Abundance vs. Scarcity Mindset 01:37:22 Social Rank & Hierarchy, Sibling Order, Development 01:45:54 Dynamic Hierarchy; Dominants vs. Subordinates; Mentors 01:55:32 Psychedelics: Research & Mechanisms; Psilocybin 02:06:28 Work-Life Balance, Fitness & Extracurriculars 02:11:56 Personal Life, Diversity, Happiness; Typical Day 02:15:42 Science & Academia; Future Directions 02:23:48 Research & Science Outreach 02:28:48 Zero-Cost Support, Spotify & Apple Reviews, YouTube Feedback, Sponsors, Momentous, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter #HubermanLab #Science #Emotions Title Card Photo Credit: Mike Blabac - https://www.blabacphoto.com Disclaimer: https://www.hubermanlab.com/disclaimer

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Feb 4, 20242h 31mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Loneliness Neurons, Social Homeostasis, and Rethinking the Emotional Brain

  1. Andrew Huberman and neuroscientist Kay Tye discuss how the amygdala and related circuits encode emotional valence—not just fear, but both reward and punishment—and how those signals shape behavior and bodily states. Tye explains her lab’s discovery of “loneliness neurons” and the broader concept of social homeostasis, where the brain tracks whether we have too little, too much, or just enough social contact. They explore how social isolation, social media, status hierarchies, and early life experiences recalibrate our social set points and impact mental and physical health. The conversation also covers psychedelic research on brain states and self–other representations, as well as Tye’s views on work–life balance, mentorship, and reforming academic culture.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

The amygdala encodes emotional valence (good vs. bad), not just fear.

Tye’s work shows that the basolateral amygdala contains distinct projection neurons that preferentially encode reward or punishment and send signals to different downstream targets. This region acts as a “fork in the road” for positive vs. negative valence, rather than a simple fear center. It responds strongly to novel stimuli at first and then habituates unless that stimulus predicts something important (reward or threat).

Internal body states dynamically rebalance fear vs. reward priorities.

Signals like hunger (e.g., ghrelin acting in the amygdala) can invert typical survival priorities. In food-deprived mice, amygdala reward pathways gain dominance over fear pathways because obtaining food becomes more urgent than avoiding danger. This illustrates how homeostatic needs can rapidly and reversibly re-weight emotional circuits and decision-making.

Loneliness is an active, aversive need state encoded by specific neurons.

By accident—through a misinterpreted ‘saline control’ condition that actually induced brief social isolation—Tye’s lab identified dopamine neurons in the dorsal raphe that encode social deprivation. Stimulating these neurons feels bad (animals avoid it) yet drives pro-social behavior, analogous to hunger driving food seeking. These “loneliness neurons” appear to represent the brain’s detection of a social deficit.

Social homeostasis explains why acute vs. chronic isolation look opposite.

Across species, brief isolation followed by reunion produces pro-social ‘rebound’ behavior, but chronic isolation leads to avoidance, aggression, or withdrawal upon reintroduction. Tye proposes a social homeostasis model: the brain tracks a social “set point,” detects deficits, and activates corrective efforts (seeking contact). If these efforts fail long enough, the system adapts to a new lower-social set point; at that point, the old “normal” level of contact now feels like overload. This distinction is critical for designing interventions for loneliness.

Social media rarely provides full “social nourishment” and often amplifies FOMO.

Tye argues that meaningful social contact depends on synchronous interaction (shared in time) and mutual investment. Most social media interactions are asynchronous broadcasts with minimal investment per receiver and often highlight events you were not part of, inherently signaling exclusion. That structure likely fails to deliver the inter-brain synchrony, oxytocin release, or corrective social input that relieve loneliness, and may instead deepen perceived deficits by constant comparison.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

The amygdala’s job is to assign meaning to anything that could have motivational significance.

Kay Tye

I think we’ve discovered the loneliness neurons, essentially.

Kay Tye

Having abundance does not… is not sufficient to give you the mindset of abundance.

Kay Tye

Social media is operating in a way that is not ethological and not designed to make us feel better. It’s just designed to make us want to use it.

Kay Tye

I wanted to prove… that you can have a very whole life and not sacrifice everything. You don’t have to choose between family and career.

Kay Tye

Amygdala function, emotional valence, and survival circuitsLoneliness neurons and the concept of social homeostasisSocial isolation, exclusion, and health consequencesSocial media vs. real-world social interactionsSocial rank, hierarchy, and prefrontal representationsPsychedelics, brain states, and self–other boundariesAcademic culture, mentorship, and sustainable scientific careers

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