Skip to content
Huberman LabHuberman Lab

Using Meditation to Focus, View Consciousness & Expand Your Mind | Dr. Sam Harris

My guest is Sam Harris, Ph.D. Sam earned his bachelor’s degree in philosophy from Stanford University and his doctorate (Ph.D.) in neuroscience from the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA). He is the author of multiple best-selling books and is a world-renowned public-facing intellectual on meditation, consciousness, free will, psychedelics and neuroscience. He is also the creator of Waking Up and the host of the Making Sense podcast. In this episode, we discuss meditation as a route to understanding “the self” and experiencing consciousness, not just changing one’s conscious state. Sam describes several meditation techniques and their benefits, including how meditation fundamentally changes our worldview and how it can be merged seamlessly into daily life. It can help us overcome universal challenges such as distractibility and persistent internal dialogue (“chatter”) to allow for deep contentment and pervasive shifts in our awareness, all while acknowledging the more immediate stress-lowering and memory-improving effects of meditation. We also discuss the therapeutic use of psychedelics and the mechanistic similarities between the benefits of a psychedelic journey and long-term meditation practices. And we discuss the rationale behind Sam’s recent decision to close his social media (Twitter) account. This episode should interest anyone wanting to learn more about the higher-order functions of the brain, the brain-body connection, consciousness and, of course, meditation and why and how to meditate for maximum benefit. Thank you to our sponsors AG1 (Athletic Greens): https://athleticgreens.com/huberman Levels: https://levels.link/huberman WHOOP: https://join.whoop.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/huberman InsideTracker: https://www.insidetracker.com/huberman Supplements from Momentous https://www.livemomentous.com/huberman Huberman Lab Special Offer for Waking Up https://www.wakingup.com/huberman Huberman Lab Premium https://hubermanlab.com/premium Social & Website Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hubermanlab Twitter: https://twitter.com/hubermanlab Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hubermanlab TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@hubermanlab LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-huberman Website: https://hubermanlab.com Newsletter: https://hubermanlab.com/neural-network Dr. Sam Harris Waking Up app: https://www.wakingup.com/huberman Making Sense podcast: https://www.samharris.org/podcasts Website: https://www.samharris.org Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/samharrisorg YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@samharrisorg Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Samharrisorg Books Waking Up: A Guide to Spirituality Without Religion: https://amzn.to/3Z51pIb Making Sense: Conversations on Consciousness, Morality, and the Future of Humanity: https://amzn.to/3CgbIQ3 Timestamps 00:00:00 Dr. Sam Harris 00:04:36 Levels, WHOOP, Eight Sleep, Momentous 00:08:54 Sense of Self & Meditation, Dualism of Self 00:18:07 Sense of Self in Brain & Body 00:25:28 Consciousness vs. Contents, Meditation 00:28:25 Interrupting Sense of Self & Attentional Focus, Visual Saccade 00:33:30 Observer & Actor, Default Mode Network & Meditation, Blind Spot 00:40:48 AG1 (Athletic Greens) 00:41:57 Mediation & Paths to Understanding Consciousness, Non-Dualistic Experience 00:57:32 Sense of Self throughout Evolution 01:07:40 Sense of Self from Human Development, Language 01:18:42 InsideTracker 01:19:46 Internal Dialogue, Distractibility & Mindfulness 01:26:27 Time Perception & Mindfulness, Vipassana Meditation, Resistance & Pain 01:37:13 Consciousness & Sense of Control, Free Will 01:43:14 Authoring Thoughts: Storytelling & Ideas, Free Will 01:52:11 Meditation & the Paradoxical Search for Self 02:06:44 Meditation & Concentration Practice 02:11:58 Mindfulness, “Skylike Mind” & Thoughts 02:15:11 States of Self & Context, Dualistic Experiences 02:32:39 Distraction & Identification of Thoughts, Meditation & “Flow” States 02:42:58 Eyes-Open Meditations, Sense of Self, Visual Cues & Social Interactions 02:54:59 Paths to Meditation, Mindfulness Meditation Step-Functions 03:05:58 Psychedelics, MDMA & Experiences in Consciousness, Religion 03:21:11 Meditation, Psychedelic Journeys & Inner Truths 03:29:48 Psilocybin, Ego-Dissolution & Thought Expansion 03:40:09 Process vs. Achievement of Goals, Fulfillment in Present 03:54:29 Leaving Twitter; Conflict, Life Interruption & Politics 04:06:14 Social Media, Attentional Disruption & Deep Work 04:15:39 Meditation & Sense of Self 04:19:02 Sam Harris & Waking Up App, Zero-Cost Support, YouTube Feedback, Spotify & Apple Reviews, Sponsors, Momentous, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter Disclaimer: https://hubermanlab.com/disclaimer

Andrew HubermanhostSam Harrisguest
Jan 1, 20234h 21mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Sam Harris Redefines Meditation, Exposes The Illusion Of The Self

  1. Andrew Huberman and Sam Harris explore meditation as far more than a stress‑reduction or focus tool, reframing it as a direct way to examine consciousness and dissolve the illusion of an inner ‘self’. Harris distinguishes between changing the contents of consciousness (calm, ecstasy, fear, psychedelic states) and understanding consciousness itself as a centerless field in which all experience simply appears. They discuss how dualistic practice (a meditator aiming attention at objects) can evolve into non‑dual mindfulness, where the apparent gap between observer and observed is seen never to have existed. The conversation also covers psychedelics as powerful but orthogonal tools, the nonexistence of free will, development of the sense of self, time perception, emotional regulation, and Harris’s decision to leave Twitter as a practical application of these insights.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Meditation’s deepest value is seeing consciousness itself, not just changing how you feel.

Harris argues that while meditation can reduce stress and improve focus, its real promise is exposing the illusion of a separate self. Most people experience life as a subject in the head aiming attention at objects and thoughts. With practice, one can recognize there is no inner observer apart from experience; there is only consciousness and its contents. This shift—from trying to manage inner states to seeing their true nature—produces a qualitatively different kind of psychological freedom than standard ‘benefits of meditation’ framing.

The sense of self is an illusion created by unexamined thinking, not by the body.

Harris distinguishes legitimate uses of “self” (a person with continuity over time) from the illusory core self: a thinker/observer riding inside the body, usually felt behind the face. That sensation is what it feels like to be thinking without knowing you are thinking. When thoughts are seen as spontaneous appearances in awareness rather than authored by an inner ‘me’, the sense of being a passenger inside the head collapses. You don’t eliminate a real entity; you discover it was never there in the way it seemed.

Mindfulness begins with noticing distraction but culminates in non‑dual awareness.

The first ‘step function’ in practice is clearly seeing the difference between being lost in thought and being aware of sensations, emotions, or thoughts as objects. This dualistic mindfulness (a meditator watching experience) already reduces suffering, because anger, anxiety, or pain break down into transient sensations once directly observed. The second, deeper shift is realizing there is no separate watcher of those contents—no place from which attention is aimed. At that point, meditation is simply the recognition of centerless awareness recurring throughout daily life, not a special state confined to a cushion.

Thoughts and decisions arise mysteriously; free will in the common sense doesn’t exist.

Harris walks through simple experiments: think of a city or a famous person and watch what appears. You don’t choose which memory surfaces from all the names you know; it just shows up. Even in a simple choice (water vs. coffee), whatever prior reasons you have still arise unbidden, and if you rewound the brain to the same state, you’d make the same choice every time. From this vantage, the sense of being the conscious author of thoughts and actions is as illusory as the separate self, and recognizing this can actually be liberating rather than paralyzing.

Psychedelics can reveal what’s possible, but they are orthogonal to the core insight of meditation.

Psychedelics radically change the contents of consciousness—perception, emotion, sense of unity, ‘ego dissolution’. They convinced Harris in his youth that inner transformation was real and worth pursuing, and they can catalyze moral clarity or healing (as Huberman reports with MDMA). But they are temporary peaks: the drug wears off, and memory of the state fades. The non‑dual insight—centerless awareness, selflessness—is already present in ordinary waking consciousness and does not require altered content. The real challenge is to extract enduring wisdom so that everyday life reflects what was glimpsed in peak states.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

The self, as most people feel it, is what it’s like to be thinking without knowing that you’re thinking.

Sam Harris

Consciousness doesn’t change; its contents change. Meditation is about recognizing consciousness itself, not endlessly optimizing the contents.

Sam Harris

There is no place from which you are aiming attention. This whole dualistic setup of subject and object is the thing that is already not there.

Sam Harris

Psychedelics prove there’s a ‘there’ there—but the project can’t be to stay high all the time. Whatever matters has to be mappable into ordinary waking consciousness.

Sam Harris

We’re all looking for good enough reasons to let our attention fully rest in the present. Meditation reverses the causality and lets you be fulfilled before anything happens.

Sam Harris

The nature of the self and the illusion of a separate subjectDualistic vs. non‑dual meditation and mindfulnessConsciousness, contents of consciousness, and time perceptionFree will, authorship of thought, and agencyPsychedelics (MDMA, psilocybin, LSD) and their relationship to meditationEmotional regulation, pain, and negative states via mindfulnessSocial media, distraction, and Sam Harris’s decision to delete Twitter

High quality AI-generated summary created from speaker-labeled transcript.

Get more out of YouTube videos.

High quality summaries for YouTube videos. Accurate transcripts to search & find moments. Powered by ChatGPT & Claude AI.

Add to Chrome