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Your Brain's Logic & Function | Dr. David Berson

In this episode, my guest is Dr. David Berson, Professor and Chairman of Neuroscience at Brown University. Dr. Berson discovered the neurons in your eye that set your biological rhythms for sleep, wakefulness, mood and appetite. He is also a world-renowned teacher of basic and advanced neuroscience, having taught thousands of university lectures on this topic. Many of his students have become world-leading neuroscientists and teachers themselves. Here Dr. Berson takes us on a structured journey into and around the nervous system, explaining how we perceive the world and our internal landscape, how we balance, see and remember, how we learn and perform reflexive and deliberate actions, how we visualize and imagine in our mind and how the various circuits of the brain coordinate all these incredible feats. We discuss practical and real-life examples of neural circuit function across the lifespan. Dr. Berson gives us a masterclass in the nervous system—one that, in just under two hours, will teach you an entire course's worth about the brain and how yours works. For an up-to-date list of our current sponsors, please visit our website: https://www.hubermanlab.com/sponsors. Previous sponsors mentioned in this podcast episode may no longer be affiliated with us. Social: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/hubermanlab Twitter - https://twitter.com/hubermanlab Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/hubermanlab Website - https://hubermanlab.com Newsletter - https://hubermanlab.com/neural-network Links: InsideTracker Interview - https://blog.insidetracker.com/longevity-by-design-andrew-huberman Dr. Berson's Webpage - https://vivo.brown.edu/display/dberson Eyewire - (Contribute to Neuroscience Research from Home/Computer - https://eyewire.org/explore Best Neuroscience Textbook (NOTE this is a TEXTBOOK) - https://amzn.to/3lZWrL4 Book - We Know It When We See It by Richard Masland - https://amzn.to/31S60Vp Timestamps: 00:00:00 Dr. David Berson 00:02:55 Sponsors: Athletic Greens, InsideTracker, Magic Spoon 00:08:02 How We See 00:10:02 Color Vision 00:13:47 “Strange” Vision 00:16:56 How You Orient In Time 00:25:45 Body Rhythms, Pineal function, Light & Melatonin, Blueblockers 00:34:45 Spending Times Outdoors Improves Eyesight 00:36:20 Sensation, Mood, & Self-Image 00:41:03 Sense of Balance 00:50:43 Why Pigeons Bob Their Heads, Motion Sickness 01:00:03 Popping Ears 01:02:35 Midbrain & Blindsight 01:10:44 Why Tilted Motion Feels Good 01:13:24 Reflexes vs. Deliberate Actions 01:16:35 Basal Ganglia & the “2 Marshmallow Test” 01:24:40 Suppressing Reflexes: Cortex 01:33:33 Neuroplasticity 01:36:27 What is a Connectome? 01:45:20 How to Learn (More About the Brain) 01:49:04 Book Suggestion, my Berson Appreciation 01:50:20 Zero-Cost ways to Support the HLP, Guest Suggestions, Sponsors, Patreon, Thorne Please note that The Huberman Lab Podcast is distinct from Dr. Huberman's teaching and research roles at Stanford University School of Medicine. The information provided in this show is not medical advice, nor should it be taken or applied as a replacement for medical advice. The Huberman Lab Podcast, its employees, guests and affiliates assume no liability for the application of the information discussed.

Andrew HubermanhostDr. David Bersonguest
Dec 12, 20211h 52mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Inside Your Brain: How Vision, Balance, and Time Circuits Work

  1. This episode features neurobiologist Dr. David Berson explaining how the nervous system is organized, with a focus on vision, balance, circadian rhythms, and action control. Starting from photons hitting the retina, he walks through how different photoreceptors and retinal ganglion cells encode color, brightness, and time-of-day information for the brain. He describes how specialized pathways influence circadian clocks, melatonin, mood, balance, motion sickness, and reflexive behaviors via structures like the SCN, hypothalamus, cerebellum, and midbrain. The conversation also covers higher-level control systems such as the basal ganglia and cortex, extreme brain plasticity, and new mapping technologies like connectomics, ending with concrete ways people can learn and even contribute to neuroscience.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Vision is multiple parallel systems, not just ‘seeing images’.

Photoreceptors (rods and three cone types) convert light into electrical signals that retinal ganglion cells send to the brain. Different ganglion cell classes specialize in color, motion, brightness, or non-image-forming functions like circadian timing. Understanding that there are separate but interacting visual channels helps explain why light can affect mood, sleep, and physiology even when you’re not consciously ‘seeing’ anything special.

Intrinsically photosensitive retinal ganglion cells act as your internal light meter and clock setter.

These melanopsin-expressing ganglion cells are ‘photoreceptors in the wrong layer’ of the retina and use a fly-like signaling cascade. They encode overall brightness rather than edges or objects and project directly to the suprachiasmatic nucleus (SCN) and other targets. This brightness signal synchronizes your circadian clock, helping align millions of cellular clocks in your body to the solar day, which is critical for sleep, metabolism, and overall health.

Light timing and intensity powerfully control melatonin and mood.

The SCN uses autonomic pathways to regulate melatonin release from the pineal gland; light at night—of any bright color, not just blue—rapidly suppresses melatonin. Conversely, getting sufficient bright light (ideally sunlight) during the day supports circadian alignment and mood and helps prevent issues like seasonal affective disorder. Practical implication: seek strong light exposure when you want to be alert and systematically avoid bright light in the middle of your sleep period.

Motion sickness is caused by a conflict between visual and vestibular signals.

The vestibular apparatus in the inner ear senses head and body motion via fluid-filled semicircular canals and hair cells; the brain compares this to what the eyes see. When your body senses motion but your visual field is stable or mismatched (e.g., reading your phone in a car), the brain registers a ‘visual-vestibular conflict’ and often responds with nausea as a kind of punishment signal. Looking out the front, seeing the horizon, or positioning yourself where the visual scene matches body motion helps resolve this conflict.

The cerebellum and midbrain quietly stabilize perception and guide rapid, reflexive behavior.

The cerebellum functions like air traffic control, integrating vestibular, visual, and motor signals to refine movements and stabilize gaze (e.g., compensating for head rotations so the visual world doesn’t smear on the retina). The midbrain’s superior colliculus/optic tectum integrates visual, auditory, and even thermal signals (in snakes) to produce rapid orienting and defensive actions without conscious deliberation. Many survival behaviors (ducking, orienting to sudden movement) are orchestrated here long before the cortex ‘thinks’ about them.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

The experience of seeing is actually a brain phenomenon.

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One cell type, carrying one kind of signal—a brightness signal—can do many things in the brain.

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It’s not about, is light good or bad for you? It’s about what kind of light and when that makes the difference.

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The cerebellum is kind of like air traffic control. Planes can still take off and land without it, but you might have some unhappy accidents.

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You don’t choose your brain, it’s handed to you. But then there’s all the stuff you can do with it.

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How vision works: photoreceptors, ganglion cells, color and brightnessIntrinsically photosensitive retinal ganglion cells, melanopsin, and circadian rhythmsLight’s impact on melatonin, mood, jet lag, and seasonal affective disorderVestibular (balance) system, motion sickness, and cerebellar integrationMidbrain reflex systems, multisensory integration, and blindsight-type functionsBasal ganglia, go/no-go control, motivation, and behavioral inhibitionCortical plasticity, connectomics, and how to learn/participate in neuroscience

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