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MEGHAN TRAINOR ON: If You STRUGGLE With Low Self-Worth & Confidence, WATCH THIS! | Jay Shetty

Today, Jay Shetty sits down with Meghan Trainor. Getting a break as a young adult, life in the limelight is a journey that requires strong will, a powerful mind, determination like no other, and a support system that has your back through…

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  1. 0:00 – 4:04

    Intro

    1. MT

      All day long, your body is saying, "Fire alarm. Fire alarm. Fight or flight. Run." And I was like, "Mm-hmm." Like, I was sitting with him and my back felt like it was on fire. I was like, "See, it, it's crazy. It's happening right now. It's, feel it. I think it's really hot."

    2. JS

      [laughs]

    3. MT

      He was like, "No, your chemicals are so messed up that your body doesn't know where you're supposed to be. Your adrenals are on fire." [upbeat music]

    4. JS

      Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every single one of you who come back every week to listen, learn, and grow. Now, you know that I love sitting down with people from different backgrounds, different walks of life, who are adding meaning, impact, and purpose into the world, that have an incredible presence and use it to do so much good in the world. And today's guest is someone who has been so kind to me, so gracious to me, online and offline. And our first interaction was actually this January when I announced me being the chief purpose officer at Calm, and we did a series of Lives. And when this guest today said yes, I was over the moon because I love her energy, uh, I followed her for a long, long time, admire her work, and for her to say yes was a dream come true. So today's guest is none other than Meghan Trainor, and Meghan first made history in 2014 with her diamond-certified hit single, All About That Bass. Since then, the award-winning singer-songwriter and multi-instrumentalist has garnered a GRAMMY for Best New Artist, achieved eight multi-platinum singles and two platinum albums, sold out three world tours, penned multi-platinum hits for peers across pop and country, and received countless industry awards and nominations. Now, on top of all of that, last fall we got to watch Meghan as the host of Top Chef: Family Style on Peacock and as a judge on Clash of the Cover Bands on E!. In September of 2021, she also launched her podcast, Workin’ On It, which she hosts alongside her brother, Ryan. Meghan has recently released her new single, Bad For Me, which by the way my producer has been singing and listening to all week, featuring Teddy Swims, along with the announcement of her fourth full-length album, Takin' It Back, arriving October 21st, 2022. Mark the date. Welcome, Meghan Trainor. Meghan, thank you for being here.

    5. MT

      You're amazing. [laughs]

    6. JS

      No, you're amazing. You did all of that. You had to-

    7. MT

      I can't believe it

    8. JS

      ... you, you had to live it. You had to create it. You had to write it. I mean, it's incredible.

    9. MT

      Wow.

    10. JS

      Congratulations.

    11. MT

      Thank you. I sound so cool [laughs]

    12. JS

      You are

    13. MT

      ... when you say it, yeah.

    14. JS

      Even just your energy walking in today, and I, I saw you come out the car, and just your presence, your energy, everything that you said, I was just like, "This is my kind of human." Like, this is the kind of person that I want to be around.

    15. MT

      You will adopt me.

    16. JS

      [laughs]

    17. MT

      Okay. Yay. Thank you.

    18. JS

      Uh, thank you for being here, honestly.

    19. MT

      Thanks for having me. I'm honored. You are ... You're like Oprah. You're m- m- amazing, what you do for everyone in the world, and I'm honored, and I'll do whatever you tell me to do.

    20. JS

      [laughs]

    21. MT

      So thank you. Thanks for letting me be here.

    22. JS

      [laughs] I, I'm humbled and touched by that. I actually got to say that to Oprah-

    23. MT

      To Oprah, yep

    24. JS

      ... because she, I grew up watching her. And so for me, when I finally got to interview her, her book was coming out, and we got to do the first interview. It was very exciting for me. And I said to her afterwards, I said, "Hey, Oprah, like, you know, I, I think I do what I do because I grew up watching you, and you showed me that you can make meaningful stuff really powerful, and it can be really mainstream. It doesn't have to be in this little box over here." And what she said to me was really special. She said that Maya Angelou said to her-

    25. MT

      Mm-hmm

    26. JS

      ... that her best work will not be the impact she makes, but the impact that the people she impacts make. And I just thought that, so anyway, I, I appreciate, but I'm passing it on to Oprah and passing it on-

    27. MT

      And you're my Oprah

    28. JS

      ... and passing it on. [laughs]

    29. MT

      Thank you so much.

    30. JS

      Uh, but I want to dive into so many things with you today because you're just such a interesting, fascinating person.

  2. 4:04 – 6:56

    The secret door

    1. MT

      know that? [laughs]

    2. JS

      Because to me, yeah, of course. Because to me, secret doors, like that's the kind- When you just showed me your garden too, and I'm not gonna give anything away, but those are the kind of homes I get fascinated about because they're the kind of homes you dreamed of as a kid.

    3. MT

      Yeah, literally.

    4. JS

      So, so tell me about this secret door.

    5. MT

      I'm creating my dream house for when I was a child, yeah. That's what I'm doing right now for my future four children.

    6. JS

      [laughs]

    7. MT

      I have one now, but he can barely walk, so we'll get there. Um, but I have a secret door in my house, and, uh, the house I bought is really cool. Not a lot of houses in LA have attics and basement, and I have both in this house. And my husband, we did so much construction, and he was like, "The only thing I want..." I'm like, "Um, yes, what would you like, babe?"

    8. JS

      [laughs]

    9. MT

      And he was like, "Um, a secret door so it looks like a bookshelf." And I was like, "Done. Absolutely, we're doing that." Um, and it's the best part of our tour when we give tours of our house. Everyone's like, "What?"

    10. JS

      [laughs]

    11. MT

      And I'm like, "Yeah."

    12. JS

      Where does it lead to?

    13. MT

      Um, an attic, uh, that I'm turning into, like, the best kids' playground ever that I want to do, like, homeschooling eventually in. So yeah, we got like slides up there and [laughs] everything.

    14. JS

      That's incredible. I, I'm, I'm inviting myself over just-

    15. MT

      Yes

    16. JS

      ... right now already.

    17. MT

      It's so fun, man.

    18. JS

      [laughs]

    19. MT

      Yeah, my house is gonna be sick one day when it's done.

    20. JS

      I love it. I'm very excited. I, I went to a home when I first moved to LA, I think I was living here already, and it's the coolest house I've ever been to. His name is Frank Luntz, and he's a speech writer for most of the presidents of the United States, and that's, that's his career, to write speeches, teach people communication. And we spoke at a conference together in Singapore, and his presentation was amazing, and somehow he liked mine, and so we became friends over it, uh, at the end, and we got connected. And he lives in LA too, and he was like, "All right, when you're back, come over to my house." I was like, "Great." He's in his like mid-50s or something. And so I went over for dinner at his house, and his house is like a museum. Like, he has the first shirt that Nelson Mandela wore to the United States, and he has like all of these incredible documents like- The invite that JFK received before the assassination. Like, he has, he has just like these really amazing things. And we went into this room, and it had this, it wasn't the Titanic, it was another famous boat, like a structure of it, and there was a little Winston Churchill in the corner, and he asked me to stroke Winston Churchill's head, and that's when things got really weird.

    21. MT

      [laughs]

    22. JS

      And then I looked at my phone, I had no data, [laughs] I had no signal. I was really scared. And so I-

    23. MT

      [laughs]

    24. JS

      ... I saw the little Winston Churchill, and he goes, "Yeah, stroke his head three times." And I was like, "This is getting really weird, but okay." I stroked Winston Churchill's head three times, and this trap door-

    25. MT

      A door

    26. JS

      ... opened, and it was so cool.

    27. MT

      Sick.

    28. JS

      And I'll sh- I'll save the rest of it for later. But anyway, my point being, I love trap doors. Um, you also have, you also have, uh, not trap doors, I love secret doors.

    29. MT

      [laughs]

    30. JS

      Secret doors.

  3. 6:56 – 9:16

    And we got two toilets

    1. JS

      Yeah.

    2. MT

      You gotta see all this.

    3. JS

      Yeah. I'm, I'm very fascinated by aesthetic and-

    4. MT

      My weird stuff

    5. JS

      ... placement. I love it.

    6. MT

      Um, okay-

    7. JS

      [laughs]

    8. MT

      ... so in our bedroom upstairs, there's one bathroom, and the other bedrooms are farther away, and my husband and I get up all night long with the baby. We used to. Now he sleeps, he's great. But we used to get up all night long, and every time I had to pee, Daryl would have to pee at the same time, and I'd be like, "Get up. It's my turn." And I remember in this new house, we literally, like, built rooms from scratch, and they had a bidet next to the bathroom, and I was like, "We'll never use that." But there was an extra hole, and then I saw the dream, and I was like, "I have an extra toilet." And I was, to the plumber, I was like, "Can you pop both of these next to each other?" And he was like, "What are you talking about?"

    9. JS

      [laughs]

    10. MT

      I was like, "Just right there, right next to each other." And he, like, laughed and thought I was joking. I was like, "Get it done." And he did, and it was the best decision ever.

    11. JS

      [laughs] I love it.

    12. MT

      Like, if you're really close with your husband like my, like, we're, we're tight, we're close to the most-

    13. JS

      Yeah

    14. MT

      ... we, like, pee together, and it's the best bonding time ever.

    15. JS

      I love it.

    16. MT

      I, I don't know, we're not nasty with it, but, like-

    17. JS

      [laughs]

    18. MT

      ... it, it blew up, and the whole world is like, "Ew!" And I have couple friends that are, they're older than Daryl and I are. We're young. We got lucky. We met each other at, like, 22. But they're like, "You pee in the same room as your husband?" I'm like, "Oh, he'll chill with me if I'm going number two."

    19. JS

      [laughs]

    20. MT

      Like, we hang out, you know? Like...

    21. JS

      I love it

    22. MT

      ... we don't do it at the same time.

    23. JS

      No, yeah.

    24. MT

      But yeah.

    25. JS

      [laughs] I love it.

    26. MT

      We're close.

    27. JS

      Well, well, thank you. We wanted to start there.

    28. MT

      You're welcome. Yeah. Nice.

    29. JS

      So now, now everything goes deep. [laughs]

    30. MT

      There's my bathroom. Yeah.

  4. 9:16 – 11:30

    Growing up in Nantucket

    1. MT

      The world was so small. Everything was so small. The buildings are small. So when we would go off-island, which was, like, travel anywhere else, we were like, "Oh, you're going off-island?" Um, like, the buildings were huge, and there's, like, traffic lights. We're used to stop signs. So everywhere else felt huge, and I still get scared when I go to New York. I'm like, "Whoa, these buildings are way too tall." Um, and, like, when we park in a parking garage, I have full panic 'cause I'm like, "Well, we're gonna be late. We have to find a parking spot and get a ticket." It's a whole thing. But Nantucket was great. And growing up there, though, there's, there's no mall. There's no place for kids to hang out, so you start drinking and doing drugs at, like, 14.

    2. JS

      Wow.

    3. MT

      And, like, hooking up at a very young age. And, like, when I look back at stuff that we did, I'm like, "How was I not murdered or kidnapped or, like, how am I not a full-blown drug addict?" A lot of my friends are.

    4. JS

      Wow.

    5. MT

      And even my brother had problems with alcohol and drugs, but he managed it so well that we were like, "You don't have a problem. You're just fun." You know?

    6. JS

      Yeah.

    7. MT

      And then recently he was like, "Okay, I need to be sober."

    8. JS

      Wow.

    9. MT

      So it was, it's like if you made it off that rock, like, you won. You survived. So it was a crazy place to live.

    10. JS

      It's, it's so different when I grew up in London, which is obviously this big city, and you're always around big buildings, and then I moved to New York, and I've lived in Mumbai, and now I live in LA, so I've always been moving from big city to big city.

    11. MT

      Yeah, you're tough. You got that tough, like, you can handle it. [laughs]

    12. JS

      Well, you can handle the city, but there's, there's also, it takes a lot more effort to feel grounded or to be in-

    13. MT

      Yeah

    14. JS

      ... nature or, you know, that took a lot of training.

    15. MT

      Oh, wow.

    16. JS

      Took a lot of training for me-

    17. MT

      Yeah

    18. JS

      ... to adapt to that. And I also find that, you know, when you, when you're talking about, I went to Montana recently, and, and that's where when I was speaking to a lot of the, uh, people that lived in the area, and a lot of the kids there were saying they'd never left.

    19. MT

      Yeah.

    20. JS

      Um, and they were saying that they all went to the same salon on a Saturday evening.

    21. MT

      Yeah.

    22. JS

      And they, that one of them went to NYU for the summer, but then she moved back, and she's like she'd never seen a Chipotle before she'd-

    23. MT

      Yeah

    24. JS

      ... moved out of town-

    25. MT

      Same. [laughs]

    26. JS

      ... and all that kind of stuff. And, and it's always interesting to me because we grow up in such bubbles where you think everyone thinks like you, and everyone's-

    27. MT

      Yeah

    28. JS

      ... living like you. When was the first time that that bubble kind of was burst or changed or switched? What was the experience where you're like, "Oh, wow,

  5. 11:30 – 16:36

    The songwriting journey

    1. JS

      there's a whole world and people who think differently"? And...

    2. MT

      Um, I mean, when my parents started bringing me to songwriting conventions, like songwriting competitions, and I would travel. Like, my, my brothers got a gift, well, it'd be a whole family thing. I have two brothers. So for Christmas one year, they're like, "We're gonna go to California and have Meghan go to this songwriting thing with ASCAP." And the boys would get to go to the zoo, you know? [laughs] So it'd always be a family thing, but they would make sure the boys got to do something fun, too. But I w- I remember, like, traveling with my family and seeing Hollywood, and I was like- Ew.

    3. JS

      [laughs]

    4. MT

      But like, [laughs] I'll be like, "Oh, it's, it's a little different than the movies." But then I lived in Nashville for a year by myself, and that was my college. I was 19 and I was, like, a songwriter. I would drive to work at noon, and I'd write a song, and I'd come home by myself, and I did that for a year, and then wrote All About That Bass and got signed and, like, had to move to LA at 19. So a lot of my friends were, like, in college and went home for the summer, and I was like, I didn't... I don't know. I feel like I missed a lot of learning steps-

    5. JS

      Yeah

    6. MT

      ... and relationships. Like, I feel like there, there, there's a whole friend group out there that I would've had that I don't know them, you know, 'cause I just went to work. But I wouldn't have it any other way. Like-

    7. JS

      Yeah

    8. MT

      ... we did it. [laughs]

    9. JS

      That's a... Yeah, that's... Yeah, that's-

    10. MT

      But I... There's, there's definitely differences that I'm frustrated with. Like, I don't know how to do taxes. I don't know how to do many things because at 19, all of a sudden there was a team that did it for me.

    11. JS

      Yeah.

    12. MT

      And so when, like... I don't know. There's simple tasks that I'm like, "I can't, can't imagine doing that," that I feel my... I'm working with my therapist on it. I feel stupid sometimes. I feel silly and, like... And she's like, "You're not stupid. Like, look around." And I'm like, "Yeah, but there's simple things I can't figure out. Geography. I don't know where anything is."

    13. JS

      [laughs]

    14. MT

      I don't know where I am in the world.

    15. JS

      Well, Meghan, I wanna, I wanna share something with you. I promise you that most people who went to college don't know how to do their taxes.

    16. MT

      Okay, good. [laughs]

    17. JS

      'Cause I know what, know what, the, the problem, the... I'll be honest with you, me included, and I w- I went to, I went to Cass Business School. Like, I don't know how to do my own taxes because-

    18. MT

      Okay, good

    19. JS

      ... because... And the reason I say that is because you're just never trained in the simple things.

    20. MT

      Yeah, yeah.

    21. JS

      Like, it's, it's sad, but no one knows how to get a mortgage or how to, you know, how to, how to-

    22. MT

      I have no idea

    23. JS

      ... get their taxes. Like, you don't know these until you have to do it.

    24. MT

      Yeah.

    25. JS

      And then when you have to do it, you figure it out. Like, for me, I had to learn a whole new system when I moved to the US. So just about when I figured-

    26. MT

      True

    27. JS

      ... so I moved to the US when I was 28, and so-

    28. MT

      I'm 28.

    29. JS

      Yeah. Oh, there we go. Yeah. Well, you moved to LA when you were 19, so-

    30. MT

      Yeah, yeah

  6. 16:36 – 20:47

    Supportive parents

    1. MT

      was it.

    2. JS

      Really?

    3. MT

      My parents believed in me so much, and I was bad. Like, I wasn't horrific, but I was bad. Like, I hear the songs now and I'm like, "What were you guys thinking?" And my mom, like, nowadays, she's like, she's still trying to get those 15-year-old songs cut. Like, they're... Sorry, not cut. Uh, a lot of people don't know what that's, what that means. When I say, like, get a song cut, I mean an- another artist sing it. So she's still trying to, like, sell those songs, and I'm like, "Mom, they're embarrassing."

    4. JS

      [laughs]

    5. MT

      Like, there's sometimes those songs will get pitched and they'll get cut, and she's like, "I knew it," like, "I knew you were good back then." And I'm like, "Wow, you really believed in me."

    6. JS

      Wow.

    7. MT

      And my parents are those parents that are like, "Everyone should go to college." And for me, they were like, "Go to work." Like, "Go be a songwriter. This is what you're good at. You're gonna do this forever."

    8. JS

      What... How do you think they noticed that? Like, what was it in you? Because obviously... And that's wonderful to hear that, but they obviously saw something-

    9. MT

      Yeah

    10. JS

      ... and they saw a habit, a trait, a pattern-

    11. MT

      Yeah

    12. JS

      ... some work ethic. What did they see? Or-

    13. MT

      I think my work e- ethic at a young age. Like, I wasn't getting all As in school, but I'd get, like, B minuses and Cs and whatever. But I would come home after school every single day, and I would use the production that my dad would get me at Christmastime. I'd use my computer, and I would be in GarageBand to Logic, and I would write a song after school every day, and I'd play it for them by dinnertime. So in, like, four hours, I would write and produce a whole song and be like, "Check this out." And it was me, like, loving what I'm doing. It didn't feel like work. But it was also me showing my parents, like, "Thank you for buying this for me," and, like-

    14. JS

      Wow

    15. MT

      ... "I'm gonna make you proud with this someday." And my dad, ugh- My dad was like, "This is a credit card where I'm buying all your stuff on. You can pay me back later when you're a successful songwriter."

    16. JS

      Wow.

    17. MT

      I'm like, "I'll buy you a house." So [laughs]

    18. JS

      [laughs]

    19. MT

      There you go. [laughs]

    20. JS

      How does, how does it feel now that you're a mom? Like, how does that feel?

    21. MT

      Oh, man.

    22. JS

      Like, how are you taking parts of those gifts that your parents gave you to-

    23. MT

      Yeah, I-

    24. JS

      ... pass them on and, like, what is it?

    25. MT

      My parents were and are the best. Like, my mom, she would be here today, but, like, we're trying to-

    26. JS

      Yeah, I was, I heard she was gonna come. I was really hoping to meet her. Yeah.

    27. MT

      I know, but we're trying to be nice with COVID and, like, keep, like, we're always like-

    28. JS

      Keep her safe

    29. MT

      ... pick one person, and yeah.

    30. JS

      Yeah, yeah.

  7. 20:47 – 24:40

    Why I am who I am

    1. JS

      your kid's surrounded by uncles, and, like, that's so beautiful when it works.

    2. MT

      Yeah.

    3. JS

      And then there's so many people who ha- what is it that-

    4. MT

      Yeah, people are like-

    5. JS

      ... you think your parents did differently? What did, or what have you observed? I'm intrigued because I think that could be huge for people.

    6. MT

      I'm breaking a lot of, uh, generational trauma and generational patterns, which I've learned with my therapist.

    7. JS

      [laughs] Shout out therapist.

    8. MT

      Um, we were... Shout out my therapist. Um, my new song I said, "My therapist told me to write you a letter," and she's like, "You put what?"

    9. JS

      [laughs]

    10. MT

      I was like, "Yeah, I wrote about it." Um, but as I've learned about, like, why I am who I am, it makes sense through my parents. Like, no one's perfect in my family. We look great, but there is some darkness.

    11. JS

      Of course. Of course.

    12. MT

      There's some clouds.

    13. JS

      Yeah.

    14. MT

      And, and I've just tried my very best to break all of that, and my mom is so good at adjusting and learning and seeing like, "Oh, we can change? We're not like this forever?" Like, my mom's side of the family, they never talk about what's bothering them. We call it, her last name was Jekanowski, so we call it the Jekanowski secrets, and they never bring up how they really feel. And I'm like, "We're not gonna Jekanowski secret this."

    15. JS

      [laughs]

    16. MT

      "We're gonna talk right about it. Here's how you make me feel."

    17. JS

      Yeah.

    18. MT

      And, um, that has, my mother has changed significantly. The only category where she's still slacking is the self-talk, self-love.

    19. JS

      Right.

    20. MT

      Bad. Bad.

    21. JS

      Yeah.

    22. MT

      Which is where I got it from, and she knows. So she's like, "I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry." Like, she won't take a picture. Like, she'll say, "The camera will break." I'm like, "What? That's so aggressive."

    23. JS

      [laughs]

    24. MT

      Like, she's so mean on her-

    25. JS

      Yeah

    26. MT

      ... and on her, hard on herself.

    27. JS

      No.

    28. MT

      And I, and she's a part of that generation, too, that, like, refuses to get therapy. And my dad. I told them recently, I was like, "You would both benefit very well if you had therapy." And they were like, "I know what's wrong with me. I don't need to talk about it."

    29. JS

      Yeah.

    30. MT

      And I'm like, "Oh my God, you're so lost."

  8. 24:40 – 27:37

    What inspires you then and now?

    1. JS

      like what inspired your songwriting then and now?

    2. MT

      Well, back then I was a songwriter writing for other artists, so I was thinking like, "What's not on the radio, and what, what could be on the radio?" But I, when I wrote All About That Bass, it was like a joke. Like, it was like, I was like, "No one's gonna cut this. We've wasted a day of work, and we'll just write a therapy song for us." Like, 'cause the co-writer was like a man, and it was the first time meeting him, so it's kind of like a blind date, and you're like, "Where'd you grow up? How are..." And, and we both were like, "We were chubby kids, and we had to learn how to love ourselves." And I was like, how funny would it be that it's like, "I ain't no size two-

    3. JS

      [laughs]

    4. MT

      ... but I can shake it, shake it."

    5. JS

      [laughs]

    6. MT

      And I'm like, I'm not a confident dancer that dances in front of everyone, but imagine if I was.

    7. JS

      Yeah.

    8. MT

      And I remember being like, "I'll sing the demo. Who cares?" And it was like a raw demo with no Auto-Tune and nothing, but the lyrics hit so many people that they're like, "This is gonna be huge. Who's singing it? We'll just let her do it." So it was really from like a, a weird, raw place. Like, I wasn't chasing radio, I wasn't... And I f- fell into that. Before, when you were talking about competition, I didn't know about charts and all that stuff. When they're like, "You're number one," I was like, "Fantastic."

    9. JS

      [laughs]

    10. MT

      Like, "What is that?" Like, "Number one everywhere?" They're like, "Everywhere." I was like, "Well, that was easy."

    11. JS

      [laughs]

    12. MT

      So then anytime I did another song I was like, "It's not number one everywhere? What do you mean?" Like-

    13. JS

      [laughs]

    14. MT

      And then I was like, "Well, maybe I'm not doing what's on the radio," and then I-

    15. JS

      Yeah

    16. MT

      ... caught myself chasing radio and just falling on my face. So with this new album, Takin' It Back-

    17. JS

      Yeah

    18. MT

      ... I was like, I'm gonna go back to when I did Doo-Wop and just didn't care about any charts and anything, and just do me.

    19. JS

      Yeah.

    20. MT

      And you'll hear that come out. And the first song they put out was a emo toxic relationship song. I was like, oh, okay.

    21. JS

      [laughs]

    22. MT

      Coming out passionate. [laughs] Yeah.

    23. JS

      And so it sounds like it's always been a raw emotion that's-

    24. MT

      Yeah

    25. JS

      ... that's gone out, and now you're taking it back and-

    26. MT

      Yeah

    27. JS

      ... you're going back to that, and you're really owning that. Like, with this, with this new album, would you say that we're hearing you through the healing process? Are we hearing you healed? Are we hearing you-

    28. MT

      I think you're hear-

    29. JS

      ... on the other side? Like-

    30. MT

      You're hearing, you're hearing a healed, mature mother who, um, is just ruthlessly honest, you know? Like one song, Don't I Make It Look Easy?, that I teased today on my Instagram, um, is like talking about, "Don't I make this look easy? Like, everything's perfect." Uh, 'cause everyone who interviews me is like, "You are so fun-

  9. 27:37 – 29:42

    Showing up authentically on social media

    1. JS

      we're not taking pictures of ourselves crying and our videos of ourselves crying and posting it, we're only posting the highlight reel." Like, we hear this all the time.

    2. MT

      Yeah.

    3. JS

      What's your personal take on what showing up authentically means to you?

    4. MT

      Ugh. I just noticed when I do talk about my fun private personal stuff, like my bathrooms, goes viral.

    5. JS

      Mm.

    6. MT

      People love it. People are like, "What? She's goofy." I'm like, "Mm-hmm."

    7. JS

      Yeah. [laughs]

    8. MT

      And, and it's always a good reaction, which feels great.

    9. JS

      Yeah.

    10. MT

      Like, I use that as my therapy of like, "Oh, the world likes me for just who I am-

    11. JS

      Yeah

    12. MT

      ... so I'm just gonna do that."

    13. JS

      Yeah.

    14. MT

      And the more I did that, like literally the more popular I got, or the more people wanted to talk to me. The more I just like ta- That's why I did the podcast, 'cause we talk about private stuff-

    15. JS

      Yeah

    16. MT

      ... that I'm like, "Normalize it."

    17. JS

      [laughs]

    18. MT

      Like, I have hard poops, you know? Like-

    19. JS

      [laughs]

    20. MT

      And it, it just, it makes... I think it's more relatable, and people are like, "I have that problem too."

    21. JS

      Yeah.

    22. MT

      That's, and the first place I saw that was my mental health.

    23. JS

      Mm.

    24. MT

      When I saw Carson Daly on The Today Show explain a full panic attack, my mom didn't understand what was happening to me.

    25. JS

      Mm.

    26. MT

      My best friend, she couldn't understand. She couldn't help me when I said, "I need to go to the emergency room 'cause I can't breathe." And she was like, "Just come here, I'll rub your head." I'm like, "You don't get me right now." I sent her that article, and she was sobbing and was like, "I finally get it." 'Cause I couldn't put it into words, and when Carson did it, I was like, "You don't know what you did for my whole family." Like, big smiles.

    27. JS

      Have you ever told him that?

    28. MT

      Oh, yeah.

    29. JS

      Yeah, yeah.

    30. MT

      Every time I'm at The Today Show-

  10. 29:42 – 35:25

    Worst panic attack

    1. JS

      didn't feel anyone was there to help and you were screaming out for it?

    2. MT

      I was in New York City. My first like big real panic attack was 4:00 AM. It's one of those, like, never forget. 4:00 AM, I was in glam getting ready to announce the GRAMMY nominees for the year after I won. It's like a thing you do when you win, you go announce them, and it was gonna be live with Gayle King. And my assistant, who's my bestie, still is, she was reading me my schedule for that week, and it was like, sing here, perform there, after all my vocal issues were happening. And I'm just like, "If I do that, this will, my voice will die and none of you will make money." You know? Like-

    3. JS

      Yeah

    4. MT

      ... we're all going down. So I was reading this calendar, and I was like, "But how would I... If I go from there to, uh, oh, there, there's no way I'm gonna make that." And then I started getting li- I get a little tingly every time I talk about it. Ah. You start dissociating, like, you start leaving your body like a ghost, and, like, breathing. You start thinking about it, and full panic comes in, and I started crying 'cause I was like, "I think I'm dying." And, and I was like, "What's going on?" And I just had to scream, cry, and breathe. And my husband, who was my boyfriend at the time, and my assistant looked at me and said, "This is a panic attack." And I almost wish they never said that because I was like, "What? This is what that is?" 'Cause I didn't know.

    5. JS

      Yeah.

    6. MT

      I didn't really know what people were saying, like, how they felt. You don't know until it's happening. And then when it ended, they were telling me, "What's this?" I was like, "A lamp, a TV, a rug." And that, like, snaps you back-

    7. JS

      Yes

    8. MT

      ... into your body. And once I calmed down they were like, I, I was like, "Can that happen whenever?" And they were like, "Mm-hmm." Wish they didn't say that either.

    9. JS

      Yeah.

    10. MT

      Screwed me for the rest of the d- day, 'cause I was exhausted, and I went on live TV, and I haven't watched that clip since, but I remember I blacked out on the TV and was just on autopilot, and I was like, "Don't pass out. Don't pass out. Don't die." Like, "Don't have a freak-out live on TV with Gayle King." And as soon as they were like, "Done," I sat down on a chair, and I lost it. And all the people on The Gayle King Show saw me, and they looked at me like I was a crazy person. And they're like, "Is she okay?" And my team looked at me, and they're like, "We need to stop." I was supposed to go do, like, eight more interviews, a whole day of work, and they just said, "Stop." I went back to the hotel room, and I literally would run to the bathroom thinking I would have diarrhea. I was like, "No, guys, it's cool. I just have the flu." And they were like, "Mm-mm." And I would explain it to people like it was like the movies, like when a demon takes over my body-

    11. JS

      Yeah

    12. MT

      ... and I had no control anymore. And when a doctor tells you it's your own brain, you're like, "Well, then, I'm gonna be in a psych ward like this every day, 'cause I can't control that. I don't know how to." And then, also, I overdosed on edibles. [laughs] Which, like, you can't really do, but I did it. I usually would take, I was self-medicating myself with five milligrams of weed with edibles at night, and it really helped in the beginning, and it would help me sleep. And one day I ran out of the specific edibles that I took, and I ate, like, a lollipop that was 25 milligrams. Then I was so high that I forgot I ate that, and I ate another one. And I usually take five, right? I was up to 50.

    13. JS

      In one day.

    14. MT

      50 milligrams in one day. I was doing a puzzle, and I was like, " [gasps] I'm not breathing." Like, I... So I tell people my soul left my body and it said bye-bye, and I was dry heaving all night. And that is very similar to what you feel in a panic attack. [laughs] So going to those places twice, my brain was like, "We've been there-"

    15. JS

      Yeah

    16. MT

      "... and we can take you there wherever, whenever we want."

    17. JS

      Wow.

    18. MT

      And so I was really unbalanced. My chemicals were off for a long time, months, trying to figure out. Like, some days would be horrific, couldn't get up. Some... And I was, I was madly in love. My career was great. I would tell doctors, like, "I'm not depressed." I didn't feel depressed. I just sometimes if I, like, sometimes I'll just feel like I have a migraine for the rest of the day. I would have ice packs on my head. I'd have my mom check my temperature. I was like, "No, I just have a flu. Again, this is crazy." And then I finally went to a psychiatrist, and he explained to me, "Your chemicals are like this. And all day long, your body is saying, 'Fire alarm. Fire alarm. Fight or flight. Run.'" And I was like, "Mm-hmm." Like, I was sitting with him, and my back felt like it was on fire. I was like, "See? It, it's crazy. It's happening right now. It's, feel it. I think it's really hot."

    19. JS

      [laughs]

    20. MT

      He was like, "No, your chemicals are so messed up that your body doesn't know where you're supposed to be. Your adrenals are on fire."

    21. JS

      Mm.

    22. MT

      So I went on my first ever antidepressants. And I used to get complimented, like, "Wow, you're the only pop star not on antidepressants." And I used to be like, "Well, look at me."

    23. JS

      Yeah.

    24. MT

      And now I'm like, "That's messed up that they said that to me."

    25. JS

      Yeah.

    26. MT

      And, like, it made me judge people, and it, it was-

    27. JS

      Yeah

    28. MT

      ... horrible. And now when I was on, when I was finally on the medication, I'm on, like, the lowest dose, and after a month or two, I was like, "It's quiet." Like, everything stopped, and it was amazing. And I, like, would talk to my psychiatrist. I was like, "I only had one panic attack this month." And it slowly went down, and I, it's been, like, five years now, and I haven't had a terrible one since. I'll have nights if I'm over-exhausted or my, I'll say my body's trying to trick me right now and trying to pretend I'm in a panic attack. And I know, what you doing? You can't mess with me right now.

    29. JS

      [laughs]

    30. MT

      And my husband knows too. He knows the drill. Like, it saved my life.

  11. 35:25 – 39:43

    Taking antidepressants while pregnant

    1. MT

      um, they were saying, "This pill is safe that you're on, but this low dose of Ativan's not safe. Get off of that." So I did get off of that, and when I walked into my doctor appointment pregnant, like, day one pregnant, I was like, I brought my medicine and was like, "This saved my life." And he was like, "Oh, you can throw those candies away." And I was like, "What?" [laughs] Like, I didn't know what to say. I was so scared, and I was like, it was COVID time, so I couldn't g-

    2. JS

      Yeah

    3. MT

      ... I hadn't had my husband. I was like, "What?" And I was in shock, and I stayed with that doctor for, like, weeks and just got worse. And I cried to everyone of, like, "He just wants me to throw them away, but they saved my life. And my other doctor said it's totally safe to be on these, so I don't know what to do." And I eventually changed doctors, and she was, I had a woman doctor, and she was like, "That's insane that he said that to you. These are perfectly safe to be on. You're fine. And a happy mom is a happy baby." And I've been trying to tell every pregnant mom or anyone who's going to have a baby and on antidepressants, like you, you can safely stay on them and nothing bad will happen to your baby. And I never had any postpartum, I didn't have any depression while pregnant, and my pregnancy was obnoxious. I had gestational diabetes, but-

    4. JS

      Wow

    5. MT

      ... we did it. We crushed it with [laughs] a good diet. Diet while pregnant, and I was like, "What?"

    6. JS

      [laughs] So no, no cravings.

    7. MT

      Yeah. But like it's still, like the stigma's-

    8. JS

      Yeah

    9. MT

      ... in some of the doctors.

    10. JS

      Yeah.

    11. MT

      And it's like, and my baby came out C-section 'cause he was sideways, and my baby was in the NICU for five days, and all those nurses said, "Were you on antidepressants?" And I'm, I just got sawed open. I'm on drugs, like trying to heal. I feel horrible. I don't get to see my prize that I [laughs] went through all that for.

    12. JS

      Yeah.

    13. MT

      And I'm in there trying to look at him the NICU tank, and they're like, "Well, it's 'cause you were on antidepressants. That's why he won't wake up." And I'm like, "What?"

    14. JS

      What?

    15. MT

      And I asked all my doctors, and they're all like, "Dude, there's no science that backs that. They're just pointing so they don't get sued. They're just saying, 'Well, it's 'cause you were on antidepressants, and that's why.'" Um, and it was the most discouraging thing, and I'm writing a book about it 'cause it was, it messed me up. And I still talk to my doctor, my psychiatrist recently, 'cause I'm trying to get lower on my antidepressants in case I want another baby, even though there's no science that backs up that can hurt that baby.

    16. JS

      And then what happened after that?

    17. MT

      My doctor's like, I, I got the charts later 'cause Dr. Amon's like, "What?" Like, "Show me, show me how they proved that."

    18. JS

      Yeah.

    19. MT

      And all the chart said was like, "He's sleepy. He's not waking up. Wakes up on his own time." But it was a C-section. That shit is traumatic for a baby to come out.

    20. JS

      Totally, yeah.

    21. MT

      Anything can happen. And it wrote, "Mom, 27, on antidepressants." That was it. And I was like, you know, what's the worst thing you could tell a person who just had a C-section-

    22. JS

      Totally

    23. MT

      ... is like, "It's your fault that this kid's not awake."

    24. JS

      Wow.

    25. MT

      But I can't wait to have three more kids.

    26. JS

      [laughs]

    27. MT

      But yeah.

    28. JS

      Thank you for sharing that, and you weren't blabbing at all. It was actually really-

    29. MT

      Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

    30. JS

      No, not at all. Honestly, it was so... Thank you for taking us there because I think-

  12. 39:43 – 47:15

    “I don’t want to end up in a psych ward…”

    1. JS

      uh, with so many artists as well, it's so easy to go down the other road. And like you're saying, it's not about looking down on those people, it's just they didn't have a family, but you're-

    2. MT

      Support, yeah

    3. JS

      ... they didn't have the support. But what was it for you? Because obviously, like you're saying, that the majority of your family may not really understand why you need medicine, but you met a psychiatrist, you've been very proactive here.

    4. MT

      Yeah.

    5. JS

      What made you so convinced that you had to make this change and that you wanted to find this way out, because it's so easy and natural for you to turn towards alcohol?

    6. MT

      I was for sure spooked, and I, um, I knew something was wrong. Like I knew my chemicals were off, but I didn't know my chemicals are off. I was like, "My body's broken. My brain is broken, and I need help." And I was scared.

    7. JS

      Yeah.

    8. MT

      I was scared. I saw me in a psych ward forever for the rest of my life, and I was like, "Well, I don't want that."

    9. JS

      Yeah.

    10. MT

      "I want children. I want a family. I want a career. I want to keep going. Like, finally all my dreams came true, and this is happening? No way. I'm gonna fight this." So I wanted to fight it, but also what really, really helped me, which is another reason why I talk about all my stuff in case it helps someone, is people like Carson, but also my older brother, Ryan. He used booze and drugs for his anxiety, and he's had huge panic attacks that he never told us about. Like, he lived in our, um, in our house, and in his room, he would, he told me, "Oh my God, I would, I was pretty sure I was having a heart attack," thinking it was the drugs, but it'd be like a hangover-

    11. JS

      Wow

    12. MT

      ... convinced, and he would call it scary Sundays. And I was like, "This whole time you just have crazy panic disorder, but you've been like smothering yourself with booze and drugs, flying through it." He's like, "Yeah, stuff it down. Fly- eat some drugs. You'll be fine. Like drink your medicine." That's what he'd say, "I'm gonna drink my medicine. I'm gonna go to bed." Like he has sleep paralysis. He has the most, his brain's way worse than mine was. So when I would have my panic attacks, I would go to everyone in the house, he lived in my house, and I'd be like, "Something's wrong." And he'd go, "I've been there. I know what you're feeling. Go to the emergency room, ask for the lowest dose of medicine that you can get. Do not let them give you Xanax, and then come home and you're gonna be fine." And having him, like l- my older soldier brother that could get through anything, look at me and be like, "Psht, I've done this. You're g- you're okay." Instead of my mom being like, "What are you talking about? You don't need a hospital." He'd be like, "Go."

    13. JS

      Yeah.

    14. MT

      "Go to the hospital. They'll tell you you're fine. They'll give you oxygen, and you'll come home. You'll be great." And having that, like acceptance, but also not be alone feeling was like he saved me.

    15. JS

      Wow.

    16. MT

      And that's why I do this podcast with him 'cause- He's now trying to be sober, and in our first episodes of the podcast, he, like, you can see him freaking out, and he's like, "I don't get to have my medicine." And I- And he did it cold turkey. He didn't go to any AA, nothing. No, no therapy, no help. He did it by himself, which is so dangerous. Don't ever do that.

    17. JS

      Yeah, yeah. Very, very, yeah.

    18. MT

      Now we're hearing, like, he could've had a heart attack in his sleep.

    19. JS

      Yeah.

    20. MT

      I'm like, oh my God.

    21. JS

      Yeah.

    22. MT

      Like, yeah. He, he's- I would tell him, I'm like, "You're, you're on extra time, Bar-"

    23. JS

      Yeah.

    24. MT

      "You're on borrowed time, my guy."

    25. JS

      Yeah.

    26. MT

      But-

    27. JS

      Yeah

    28. MT

      ... he's my hero.

    29. JS

      Very looking forward to meeting him now.

    30. MT

      You're gonna love him.

  13. 47:15 – 51:16

    Our biggest crisis is a crisis of habits

    1. MT

      lose 60 pounds, which was like one pound a week of changing my lifestyle.

    2. JS

      Wow.

    3. MT

      But food is poison, you know? Like bad foods. I just saw a TikTok where this guy was like, "I had anger issues and I was mean, and I was in high school, and even though I was like a smart kid, I, I remember I ate, like, the burger and the cafeteria food every day."

    4. JS

      Yeah.

    5. MT

      "And no matter how smart I was, I was like, 'I'm gonna go fight today,' 'cause I was angry. And when I started eating healthy-"

    6. JS

      Wow

    7. MT

      "... I was less angry." Like-

    8. JS

      Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

    9. MT

      ... I have a cousin who has really anger issues, but I also know he eats fast food 'cause my, it's like food's expensive-

    10. JS

      Yeah

    11. MT

      ... and they can't go to Whole Foods like me all the time.

    12. JS

      Trust me.

    13. MT

      And so, and there's three of, the three kids, so his mom's trying to feed all of them. But I know that that food is just feeding his anger and his, you know? So it's super sad watching that, knowing like, oh my God, the rest of the world, you know?

    14. JS

      Yeah, yeah. I mean, that, that's the challenge, right? It's how can we make food affordable, accessible-

    15. MT

      Yeah

    16. JS

      ... healthy, tasty, like-

    17. MT

      My dietician, she's like, "Don't even get me started on f- like, f-

    18. JS

      The food industry

    19. MT

      ... food in, in cafeterias, though, for kids."

    20. JS

      Yeah.

    21. MT

      For children. It's like, how do you expect them to work all day and like- Have energy

    22. JS

      Yeah. It's so-

    23. MT

      Like, I would come- I remember now, when I would come home from school, nap. Every day, bro, I'd nap, and my mom would be like, "It's dinner. Wake up." I'm like, " [snores] Okay."

    24. JS

      [laughs]

    25. MT

      Like, no wonder I was, like, [laughs] chubby and depressed and sad, like-

    26. JS

      Yeah, and it's hard, again, because it's all habits.

    27. MT

      Yeah.

    28. JS

      I, I was saying recently to someone, like, our biggest crisis is a crisis of habits.

    29. MT

      Yeah.

    30. JS

      Like, our life is defined by habits-

  14. 51:16 – 56:06

    The darkest days ever

    1. JS

      uh, you know, and you have been for a long period of time, obviously, with Daryl, who's-

    2. MT

      With food and my man. Yeah. [laughs]

    3. JS

      I was talking about, yeah, I was talking about, I was talking about with-

    4. MT

      With love, yes

    5. JS

      ... yeah, yeah, with love. Yeah.

    6. MT

      I won.

    7. JS

      And I, I'm just gonna be-

    8. MT

      I got lucky.

    9. JS

      And I'm so grateful I got to meet Daryl today as well-

    10. MT

      Oh, he's a king

    11. JS

      ... 'cause it's always fun, like, and yeah, he's amazing. How did you know that that was how you were meant to be treated? Because I think so many people get into a pattern of accepting a certain level of treatment.

    12. MT

      Yeah. I always-

    13. JS

      How did you know?

    14. MT

      ... I figured, like, because of, like, relationships I've seen in my family, I'm like, he'll deal with it, and I'll, I'll just train him to be better. And when I met Daryl, he still to this day, like, opens every door, drives me wherever I need to go, 'cause he knows I'm scared to drive, takes care of me. No one's ever taken care of me like that except my parents. And he says, "I'll take care of you" till, to this day, and that's when I was like, oh my God, I want to only be with you for the rest of my life. I wanna be 105 and die next to you while holding your hand. And it's taught me how to care for someone and take, and love them like that. But, um, yeah, it was n- like the chivalry, whatever it's called, it was the, it was the kindness and the simple things-

    15. JS

      Yeah

    16. MT

      ... of opening doors and making sure I was okay. And he came on tour day 11. After day six when we said, "I love you," day 11, I was like, "I have to do a, a tour now. Would you like to come with me?" And he was like, "Well, I got nothing else to do."

    17. JS

      [laughs]

    18. MT

      So, and he stayed on that bus and did the whole tour with me, and after every show, he caught me offstage. He would carry me to the f- the little golf cart.

    19. JS

      [laughs]

    20. MT

      And he would help me take my wig off, and he'd massage my feet. Like, month one meeting this person, and I was like, "You're gonna take care of me forever."

    21. JS

      Wow.

    22. MT

      And he went through me when I had vocal surg- like, four months of dating, I had vocal surgery. I couldn't talk, couldn't say, "I love you" back. I was mute for months, and he still loved me. The way he treated me through my pregnancy was insane. Just like, and, and it makes me, like, as much as I tell the world, like, "Hey, if you have mental health, ask for help," I also wanna say, "Hey, don't settle for you know."

    23. JS

      Yeah, yeah.

    24. MT

      'Cause there's a guy out there that will rub your nasty feet after a two-hour show [laughs] and will worship the ground you walk on. They exist, and I know it's hard in LA to find them, but I found him.

    25. JS

      [laughs]

    26. MT

      And if I can find him, you can find him, you know? Like, they are real, and it's the people you wanna procreate with. Like, he never saw himself as a father 'cause his father left their family when he was one years old.

    27. JS

      Wow.

    28. MT

      So he was like, "I'm not gonna be a dad. I don't know what a dad is." He saw me and was like, "I want babies with you. Like, I wanna procreate. I wanna make more of us." And I was like, "We should make more of us." [laughs]

    29. JS

      [laughs] One out of four.

    30. MT

      It's like that's, I think that, when they're like, "You know when you know," that whole thing-

  15. 56:06 – 58:49

    “When I met Daryl…”

    1. MT

      [laughs] .

    2. JS

      Yeah. Wow.

    3. MT

      'Cause, like, this is our shell, you know?

    4. JS

      Absolutely, yeah.

    5. MT

      This is our, our body. This is it. This is what we got, so, like, let's treat it well.

    6. JS

      Yeah, and I think that's the idea, that if we can't look in the mirror and say, "I'm happy with what I see today"-

    7. MT

      Yeah

    8. JS

      ... it's really hard to think tomorrow you're gonna wake up and say, "I feel really happy what, with what I see tomorrow"-

    9. MT

      Yeah

    10. JS

      ... in the sense of even if you've changed, whether you lose weight or gain weight, whatever you're trying to do-

    11. MT

      Yeah

    12. JS

      ... if you're not happy with the way you are now, it's never gonna feel different-

    13. MT

      Yeah

    14. JS

      ... on the other side-

    15. MT

      It's like-

    16. JS

      ... because that's just a repetitive pattern.

    17. MT

      Yeah. When people are like, "How are you so confident and love yourself?" I'm like, "Ooh, I'm working on it every day."

    18. JS

      Yeah, exactly.

    19. MT

      I wrote a song called Workin’ On It, which is why our podcast is that.

    20. JS

      Yeah.

    21. MT

      'Cause it's about when you get a compliment and you're like, "Ew."

    22. JS

      [laughs] Yeah.

    23. MT

      When someone's like, "You look beautiful," you're like, "Shut up. Ew, I'm disgusting." It's like, whoa, I'm gonna work on not doing that and go, "Thank you."

    24. JS

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    25. MT

      And, like, try to believe what they're saying.

    26. JS

      Yes.

    27. MT

      'Cause they're not saying it... They're not lying.

    28. JS

      Yes.

    29. MT

      You know? [laughs]

    30. JS

      Yeah, yeah.

  16. 58:49 – 1:03:05

    Loving your own body

    1. JS

      and what's the number one thing Daryl's working on?

    2. MT

      Understanding his feelings.

    3. JS

      That sounds good. [laughs]

    4. MT

      The boy can feel. He's got a lot of feelings, and I'm like, Dr. Phil taught me perception is reality. So even though it seems like he's being irrational-

    5. JS

      Yes

    6. MT

      ... 'cause he is, I have to realize, like, oh, he's in that moment right now, and I have to take care of him as if that's real and then pull him out of it, and I always do.

    7. JS

      I love that. And what's he trying to do for you?

    8. MT

      [laughs]

    9. JS

      [laughs]

    10. MT

      That's, like, the, the toughest part for us 'cause I'm so... I'm sorry I'm using so many words.

    11. JS

      You're not at all. You're fine.

    12. MT

      But I'm so Massachusetts, like, "Sack up, bro." Like, I'm raised by brothers. Like, "Why are you so emotional? Why are you crying?" And he's like, "Ah," you know? So he's trying to communicate better-

    13. JS

      Yeah

    14. MT

      ... his feelings to me and trying to... Yeah, I guess. Ask him.

    15. JS

      Yeah, yeah.

    16. MT

      He'll tell you.

    17. JS

      Yeah, yeah, I'll have to ask him.

    18. MT

      It's that.

    19. JS

      Yeah.

    20. MT

      It's the very I'm cold and he's soft.

    21. JS

      Yeah. I get it.

    22. MT

      But it works.

    23. JS

      [laughs]

    24. MT

      Man, it works.

    25. JS

      Question number two, uh, what is your daily routine for your anxiety today?

    26. MT

      My husband transcendental meditations every day.

    27. JS

      Amazing.

    28. MT

      That's not how I say it, but 20 minutes morning and night. I do that sometimes, especially when I need it. Today I'm gonna... Oh, I have therapy today-

    29. JS

      Oh, I love it

    30. MT

      ... at 4:00 PM. We love it, and I'm gonna try to work out.

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