Joe Rogan Experience #2242 - Bert Sorin

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   (drum beat plays) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. BSBert Sorin0:00

      (drum beat plays) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Hello, Joe.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      (laughs) Good to see you, Joe. What's up, brother? What's going on, man?

   4. BSBert Sorin0:16

      Good to see you, man.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Thank you very much for that, uh, extraordinary piece of, uh-

   6. BSBert Sorin0:20

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      ... athletic equipment you brought to the gym.

   8. BSBert Sorin0:22

      Absolutely, right?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      Is there a photo of that so we can show people what it looks like?

   10. BSBert Sorin0:24

       Uh, yeah, it should be on the website, uh, X-Factor.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       And what is it called?

   12. BSBert Sorin0:29

       Uh, it's called the X-Factor.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Oh, it's called the X-Factor.

   14. BSBert Sorin0:30

       Yeah, it's called the X-Factor.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       What is the website?

   16. BSBert Sorin0:31

       Sorenix.com.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       Go to Sorenix.com, check out the X-Factor.

   18. BSBert Sorin0:35

       It's all you, it's actually ... Pull it up, Jamie.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Pull it up, Jamie. Isn't it nice to say that?

   20. BSBert Sorin0:38

       Gosh, man, I'm telling you-

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       It's fun, right?

   22. BSBert Sorin0:40

       It's, uh, it's big.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       So this is the machine.

   24. BSBert Sorin0:42

       Yeah. It's actually Judd who was here a minute ago.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Yeah. It's a- a brilliant machine, man. The idea that you could push and pull rotationar- r- rotational power machine.

   26. BSBert Sorin0:52

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       It really is a- a genius idea, man. And, uh-

   28. BSBert Sorin0:55

       Thanks, bro.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       ... for things like striking sports, that's huge. Like, the ab- ability to push and pull at the same time while stabilizing your core. I mean, that is undoubtably gonna help w- people, like, i- i- it's ... You're definitely gonna be able to deliver more power and strikes.

   30. BSBert Sorin1:13

       Right. Because you- you take the ground force-
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   I know. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      know, but there's something about-

   2. BSBert Sorin15:01

      I know.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      ... dialing it in to, like, 47 yards.

   4. BSBert Sorin15:04

      He was like 40... (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      Drawing back and centering your pin-

   6. BSBert Sorin15:07

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:08

      ... and just watching that shot break and watch that arrow go exactly where you want it to go.

   8. BSBert Sorin15:14

      Just...

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:14

      And swap, and hit those ribs.

   10. BSBert Sorin15:17

       Just the dopamine button of all time.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:18

       Oh. It's the greatest.

   12. BSBert Sorin15:20

       It is. It, does... Can you see the arrow... Does it slow down when you shoot at animals like it does for me? It looks like there's no way this arrow is ever gonna get to... It's like everything in my m- brain do- it's like, uh, that book, The Rise of Superman, when you go in a flow state. And like-

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:34

       Mm.

   14. BSBert Sorin15:34

       ... everything speeds up in your brain, so actually the perce- uh, per- uh, well, it'd be the perception-

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       Perception?

   16. BSBert Sorin15:41

       ... all sh- all lengthens out. They say your brain actually starts firing three times faster, the little pictures.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:47

       Ah.

   18. BSBert Sorin15:47

       So that's why the, it slows down. This morning, I watched that arrow just right-handed turn. I'm like, "That g- that deer's gonna move." And it was only 27 yards. But I'm watching it. T- t- t- t- t- t- t- t- t- t-

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       Oh, that's interesting.

   20. BSBert Sorin15:59

       But when I, but when I'm shooting targets, I'm just like, "Nah, whatever."

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:01

       I don't seem to think that. No.

   22. BSBert Sorin16:04

       Really?

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       No.

   24. BSBert Sorin16:05

       I always think it takes forever to get to the ar- to animal.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       No. Um, I'm trying to think of when do things slow down for me? No.

   26. BSBert Sorin16:15

       Jujitsu?

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:16

       No. Jujitsu just, whe- when you're really in a, a good state, y- it's just almo- almost like you're not thinking.

   28. BSBert Sorin16:23

       Hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:23

       It's like all of a sudden you have an arm bar. It's like...

   30. BSBert Sorin16:26

       So it is a flow state.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   (laughs) …

   1. BSBert Sorin30:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      (laughs)

   3. BSBert Sorin30:00

      He goes, "That's why I do this every day." I'm like-

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:02

      Yeah.

   5. BSBert Sorin30:03

      ... "I'm tra- I'm tracking."

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:04

      He's also addicted to exercise. He's addicted to cardio.

   7. BSBert Sorin30:07

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      I think there's, uh-

   9. BSBert Sorin30:08

      Me, me not so much.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:09

       ... a state of mind that a lot of those distance runners get in that they get really, really addicted to. And it, there's a runner's high. Like, the runner's euphoria.

   11. BSBert Sorin30:17

       Have you experienced that?

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:18

       Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Long cardio sessions, yeah.

   13. BSBert Sorin30:21

       I never have. I've tried, and then I just-

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:23

       Really?

   15. BSBert Sorin30:23

       ... either get bored or mad at cardio, then I go and lift weights and throw things.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:26

       Well, you've got, like, that power, strength, throwing background. You know, it's like, doesn't really benefit you to be really into cardio.

   17. BSBert Sorin30:34

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:35

       It actually, probably would diminish some of your strength.

   19. BSBert Sorin30:36

       Like, heavily. Yeah, Greg Glassman back in '07 when I was throwing Highland Games, he was like, "Oh, you, you gotta do cardio, or do, do CrossFit." And I was like, "Why?" And he was like, "No, it'll help your throwing." I go-

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:47

       Oh, the CrossFit guy?

   21. BSBert Sorin30:48

       Yeah, yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:48

       That doesn't look like he works out at all?

   23. BSBert Sorin30:50

       That's the one.

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       Yeah.

   25. BSBert Sorin30:52

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       I'm not taking advice from you, buddy.

   27. BSBert Sorin30:53

       Well, I was sitting there, and I was like, "I'm 265 pounds."

   28. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       (laughs)

   29. BSBert Sorin30:56

       He's like, "You should do CrossFit." And I'm like, "I'm trying to be the best thrower in the world, and that has nothing to do with-"... any of this other stuff. (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:02

       Yeah, I have a, I have a golden rule when it comes to taking advice.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      a little in the way.

   2. BSBert Sorin45:01

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      Just a touch. Not, not bad. I can deal with it. You know?

   4. BSBert Sorin45:05

      Sure.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:05

      But that red dot was fucking amazing. So, uh, I shot this b- I'll show you the bull afterwards. I shot this big bull, and he was coming through this gap, and I wasn't sure if the arrow was gonna make it there, so I pulled out the second rangefinder.

   6. BSBert Sorin45:18

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:19

      And I clicked on that, and I got the height of the arrow. I knew I could make it, and then I used the range-finding site. So.

   8. BSBert Sorin45:26

      A man that knows his tools.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:27

      The opposite of these guys with their traditional bow. Boink.

   10. BSBert Sorin45:30

       Yeah (laughs) . Of course.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:31

       Like, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm using technology.

   12. BSBert Sorin45:33

       Sure.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:34

       So the new Leupold, though, the problem is it doesn't have this, this height thing in it. But the new one, when you range an animal with OnX Hunt-

   14. BSBert Sorin45:43

       Yep.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:43

       So you range the animal, and it mark- puts a pin down where that animal is.

   16. BSBert Sorin45:47

       Yep. I actually had the... I was one of the test subjects for that. They sent me-

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:52

       Wow.

   18. BSBert Sorin45:52

       Yeah, probably two years ago, I was hunting at Deseret with it.

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:55

       Mm.

   20. BSBert Sorin45:55

       Giving 'em feedback. We found a mule deer the day before, and I ranged him, marked him, and we went back the next day and I shot him at 14 yards.

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:03

       That's crazy.

   22. BSBert Sorin46:03

       It was awesome.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       That's crazy 'cause you can go back to the actual spot where he was.

   24. BSBert Sorin46:07

       Yep. Yeah, it, it threw it off to my phone, and uh, it was like the, I can't remember what it's called. It's the Range... But it has like the LS50-

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:14

       Something 500.

   26. BSBert Sorin46:14

       500, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:15

       Yeah.

   28. BSBert Sorin46:15

       Something like that.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:16

       See if you can find it, Jamie.

   30. BSBert Sorin46:17

       Yeah, it's-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:03:59

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      and they, this is a, a great argument to this idea of power being necessary, like, with jujitsu and grappling. You know, like, y- if you have technique like Gordon's and you're built like him, yeah, giant advantage. Giant advantage-

   2. BSBert Sorin1:00:12

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:12

      ... to be super strong always. In all of life.

   4. BSBert Sorin1:00:16

      I-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

      There's fucking zero advantage in being weak.

   6. BSBert Sorin1:00:18

      No, there's never a time where you're like, "You know what? If I could just get my squat down a bit-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:22

      (laughs)

   8. BSBert Sorin1:00:22

      ... that would really pan out for me."

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:24

      One thing, though, that is really important, this, this actually really pays off: if you can train with a guy who's small, like if you can learn jujitsu with a guy who's small, you'll learn the best jujitsu.

   10. BSBert Sorin1:00:37

       Why is that?

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

       Because they have to use technique.

   12. BSBert Sorin1:00:39

       Mm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

       They have to use leverage. Like, uh, you're a big, fucking strong guy. If you learn jujitsu, you, you could use that strength. You could squish people's necks and throw them on the ground and grab their arms-

   14. BSBert Sorin1:00:49

       True.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:50

       ... and stuff like that.

   16. BSBert Sorin1:00:50

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:50

       But a small guy can never do that.

   18. BSBert Sorin1:00:53

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:53

       So if you can learn jujitsu from, like, a Barrett Yoshida or a Royler Gracie or Eddie Bravo or ...

   20. BSBert Sorin1:00:58

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

       There's a few of those. Gabe, Gabe Tuttle, who-

   22. BSBert Sorin1:01:01

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:01

       ... teaches over here at 10th Planet. Small guy jujitsu is the best jujitsu.

   24. BSBert Sorin1:01:05

       Ah, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

       Because it has to be razor-sharp-

   26. BSBert Sorin1:01:08

       Yup.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:08

       ... 'cause they don't have the physical strength, like, overpower an arm-

   28. BSBert Sorin1:01:12

       They can't over ... Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:12

       ... and get you into a certain position-

   30. BSBert Sorin1:01:14

       Yeah.

Episode duration: 3:38:16