JRE MMA Show #145 with Terence Crawford

Joe Rogan 0:00 (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

Terence Crawford 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) Terence Crawford, what's it like to be the fucking man?

Terence Crawford 0:14 Man, it's great. I feel like I always been the man, right?

Joe Rogan 0:17 (laughs) You have been the man for a long time, but, uh, I think, uh, two weeks ago everybody realized it.

Terence Crawford 0:23 Yeah, everybody, uh, give me my recognition now and everybody give me my flowers, so it's a wonderful thing that I had to fight to, you know, get everybody approval.

Joe Rogan 0:35 Well, it's tricky in boxing sometimes because sometimes it's difficult to make those match-ups happen. In a dream match-up like that between 2 undefeated world champions, and for you to dominate the way you did, 'cause a lot of people had that, like, a pick-em fight. Like, a lot of people didn't know how to call it, but you just fucking ran that fight. You ran that fight. That was amazing.

Terence Crawford 0:58 Yeah, you know, that's a fight that we've been wanting for years, and, um, to finally secure the fight and perform the way that I performed, it was, it was a great moment for me and my career.

Joe Rogan 1:11 It was beautiful, man. I mean, the ju- just the way you controlled, the way you switched things up, the way you controlled the pace of the fight, the defense. Your defense was on point. Those hooks that you were landing in close were magnificent. It was a brilliant fight, man. I mean, I'm sure you appreciate it, and I'm sure you watched it a bunch of times, but man, that was like a, a real... Because it was such a mainstream fight, such a huge fight where everybody was paying attention to it and talking about it, even casuals, that they got to see you perform that way, like, and, you know, now it's like there's no dispute. You're the number one pound-for-pound guy on earth.

Terence Crawford 1:46 Yeah. Uh, that's something that I gotta credit to my coaches, you know, because we drilled everything that you seen fight night, we drilled it time and time again, time and time again. So it was, it was... It came natural and easy for me when the, when the fight came. You know, like I said, only thing they kept saying, uh, how he's gonna beat me is because he's bigger and he's stronger. That was it.

Joe Rogan 2:18 You looked stronger.

Terence Crawford 2:19 Of course, of course.

Joe Rogan 2:21 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 2:21 And I was just like, "How do you know he's stronger than me?"

Joe Rogan 2:24 Right.

Terence Crawford 2:25 He might be bigger than me, but big don't mean stronger.

Joe Rogan 2:28 Well, he's just taller than you.

Terence Crawford 2:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:29 You look more muscular than him too. But it was just the, the s- the technique was what really stood out.

Terence Crawford 2:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:36 It's like you just were a master in there. It was a master class.

Terence Crawford 2:39 That's something that they wasn't giving me credit for as well.

Joe Rogan 2:42 How?

Terence Crawford 2:43 'Cause they said-

Joe Rogan 2:44 That's the thing. It's like how are they not?

Terence Crawford 2:46 (laughs) You know, I don't know what it is, um, with me. They just always try to, uh, diminish my, my accomplishments and, oh, well, who I was fighting, they say, "Oh, well he wasn't fighting nobody." And this guy, Errol Spence, is the most, uh, fundamentally sound fighter in the game. So, um, that's why everybody was picking him, but I was favorite in Vegas, so Vegas must have had it right.

Joe Rogan 3:16 Yeah, well, the wise people picked you as a favorite. You know, just, just based on your accomplishments. It's not like Errol Spence wasn't a great fighter. He's a great fighter, but it's so interesting when you watch a great fighter against what I believe is an all-time great. It just that there's just levels upon levels upon levels upon levels, and right now you're at the top of the fucking mountain. (laughs)

Terence Crawford 3:40 Yes, yes, yes, and I, and I'm, I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying it.

Joe Rogan 3:44 Beautiful. You deserve it. You deserve it. That's a... When, when you planned for that fight, you knew that you were probably gonna fight him, like, for the last few years it was something that was on the table.

Terence Crawford 3:55 Well, not really. Uh, there was a point, there was a point in time where (clears throat) I was like, you know, uh, I shifted gears and I shifted my mind off of Errol Spence because, um, I didn't feel like the fight was gonna happen.

Joe Rogan 4:10 Hmm.

Terence Crawford 4:10 But once I left Top Rank and we started negotiating, I was like, "Oh, well, maybe this fight will happen." And then o- once I fought Avanesyan because the, uh, conversations, uh, and everything that we was, uh, talking about to get the fight done, it wasn't lining up to what I wanted. So, I decided to take another fight and then I came back to the table and like, "Hey, listen. Let's get this fight made." And, uh, at that point in time things wasn't going how I woulda liked it to go, so I just hit up Spence like, "Hey, man. Listen, man. If, if me and you gonna fight, me and you gonna get this done," because, you know, there's a lot of people that's blocking the fight right now.

Joe Rogan 4:58 How were they blocking? Like what was the, what was the holdup?

Terence Crawford 4:59 Well, just business-wise, you know, I just felt like I was worth X amount and they felt like I wasn't. And, uh, they wanted to do the deal a certain way, and I wanted to do the deal, uh, the fair way. And, um, Errol Spence seen it. He was just, he was, he was agreeing with everything that I said. He was like, "Yeah, we can do this, we can do that." And he probably felt like he gave up too much, you know, at the, at the end when it was all said and done, but I was, I felt like everything was fair.

Joe Rogan 5:33 Was it in terms of, like, the purse split?

Terence Crawford 5:35 Everything.

Joe Rogan 5:36 Everything?

Terence Crawford 5:36 We, we, we talked about everything.

Joe Rogan 5:38 Yeah. And so th- this fight had been discussed for like how many years now? At least-

Terence Crawford 5:44 Five.

Joe Rogan 5:45 ... five years. Wow. That's crazy that it takes that long for something like this-

Terence Crawford 5:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:49 ... to happen in boxing.

Terence Crawford 5:50 When I came, when I came, uh, to the welterweight division, I called out all the champions, except Shawn Porter. I called out all the champions. I wanted them all.... you know, at that time. And, uh, I wasn't able to get, uh, get in the ring with any of them and at that point in time, they was calling Errol Spence the Boogeyman. And my reply was, "How is he the Boogeyman when I'm chasing him?"

Joe Rogan 6:17 Hm.

Terence Crawford 6:17 You know, um, I just wanted to prove to the world that, that I was better than what they say I was because given the fact that how great I looked against each opponent, they say, "Oh, well, he wasn't nothing." Or, "He was this, he, he was that-"

Joe Rogan 6:35 Right.

Terence Crawford 6:35 ... because how talented I am.

Joe Rogan 6:37 Right.

Terence Crawford 6:38 So, they didn't wanna give me no credit because I passed all my tests with flying colors, so.

Joe Rogan 6:44 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 6:45 It was great to get in the ring with Errol Spence Jr. and do the same thing, if not better, than I did for the past opponents that I faced.

Joe Rogan 6:55 No, you were on fire. It, it was- it's, it's sort of the same thing that Roy Jones Jr. faced. Like, everybody's like, "Roy hasn't beaten anybody." Like, yes, he has.

Terence Crawford 7:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:04 It's just he's so much better than everybody else that he was making everybody else look like they weren't any good.

Terence Crawford 7:10 Definitely.

Joe Rogan 7:10 Those were world championship caliber fighters and Roy was just lighting 'em up.

Terence Crawford 7:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:14 And that's- that- sometimes when a fighter eclipses everyone else and reaches the pinnacle, that's the criticism they face until there's an undeniable moment, you know, and that was, that was your undeniable moment. Like, "Everybody's gotta shut the fuck up now." (laughs)

Terence Crawford 7:28 Yeah, yeah. And that's, and that's what, you know, uh, my, my feelings was. You know, a lot of people like, "Man, you didn't look too happy, you know, after, after you won. After you won, I didn't see the excitement in you, in you." I was like, man, I was happy. I was happy just- I had to prove myself, you know, to the world, how great I knew I was, but at the same time, I was kinda disappointed at the same time that it took this long for me to get my recognition and for me to get a big marquee fight of this status at 35 years old.

Joe Rogan 8:06 Yeah. Especially after chasing it for five years.

Terence Crawford 8:09 Right. And I was chasing Manny Pacquiao for probably five years probably before that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:15 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 8:16 So it's like, I've been champion for nine years, going on 10 years in March, so I've been doing this game for a long time, you know. And, uh, I've been at the top since, since, since I beat Gamboa and I've been looking for all the biggest challenges there is, and some of 'em, I was able to, to capture and some of 'em went the other way. And I'm just blessed to be able to be the first man to be undisputed in the junior welterweight division, the first man to be undisputed in the welterweight division in the before belt era, the first man to be undisputed in two weight divisions. So, um, it's a blessing. It's a blessing.

Joe Rogan 9:04 It is a huge blessing. It's a- it's an amazing accomplishment. You looked happy.

Terence Crawford 9:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:08 You were dancing with your mom, you were having a good time.

Terence Crawford 9:10 Yeah, of course.

Joe Rogan 9:10 I don't know why people thought you weren't happy.

Terence Crawford 9:11 Because, you know, when you, when you go in the back room, everybody wanna see the excitement.

Joe Rogan 9:15 Right.

Terence Crawford 9:16 I was just like, "Ah, I got that off my back."

Joe Rogan 9:18 Yeah. Well you knew you had it.

Terence Crawford 9:20 You know, it was a sigh of relief.

Joe Rogan 9:21 Was there anything unusual about that fight? Like, did- is that exactly how you expected the exchanges to go? I'm sure you watched a ton of tape on him, right?

Terence Crawford 9:30 Actually, I didn't.

Joe Rogan 9:31 Really?

Terence Crawford 9:32 I didn't because a lot of people always ask me do I watch a lot of film on my opponents and I always tell 'em no because I have a different style. They not gonna fight me the same style or the same way that they fought their previous opponents. They just not, you know. Uh, so I already knew how he fought. I just watched probably like two fights of his just to get a feel for what he like to do, what he don't like, the things that, you know, I can capitalize on, and that's it. Like, I don't watch too much film because I'm gonna make my adjustments on the fly inside the ring. So yeah, I don't watch too much film.

Joe Rogan 10:13 That's interesting. What is the- the general consensus on that, about watching film? Do most champions watch film? Is it- is it just on an individual basis?

Terence Crawford 10:22 No, some people like to watch film to where they feel as if they know, uh, what their opponent's gonna do, when they're gonna do it, because they got certain habits to, uh, identify, uh, when they're gonna throw a punch or, or when they're gonna back up. Certain things that you, you see as a, as a top athlete, you start noticing, "Okay, I notice that he's doing this when he's doing this. He's doing that when he's doing this." And, uh, you pick up on that, and so you, you put it in your, in your mind like, "Okay, we gonna prepare for this. When he do that, we gonna do this." So you try to capitalize on it. But me, I never was that type of person. My- I let my coaches, they do the, uh, studying and then they come up with a plan and then they shoot me the plan, the- the plan to win and we just go from there.

Joe Rogan 11:17 When you switch, 'cause you're, you're, in my opinion, the best ever at switching from orthodox to southpaw since Marvin Hagler. You're the best ever. Like, when do you dec- when do you decide? Do you just feel it? Do you go out there southpaw sometimes and say, "I'm gonna fucking switch it up?" Like, how do you- how do you make those- those changes?

Terence Crawford 11:39 Well, I think I made the change to fight southpaw, uh, in the back dress room.

Joe Rogan 11:47 Really?

Terence Crawford 11:48 Yeah, 'cause I was like, "Man, how should I come out?" 'Cause in my mind I was just so filled with like the energy from the weigh-ins, the press conference, the weight, the- the- the moment. So I was like, "Man, I just wanna go out there and..." You know, everybody saying I'm too small, so I wanted to prove 'em wrong. Everybody was saying he was gonna walk me down, so I was just like, "Man, you know, they just don't know." Like, I just had that chip on my shoulder, like, I just want to go, go head on with the bull and just go fight him. And they was like, "Just box."I was like, "Just box." And then I was remembering, I was like, "He ever fought too many southpaws before." And then on one of the occasions, he got hurt real bad by a hook. So I was like, "I'm coming out south paw and I'm, and we gonna box just to start off, but at the same time, I'm gonna get my respect out the gate. I'm not going to be doing all that moving." So the plan was never to move and everybody, when you interview 'em, they was like, "Oh, Terence gotta be, uh, slippery. He can't stand in front of Spence. He can't do this. He gotta get on his bicycle." I'm like, "He ain't no Terminator." I'm like, "Man-

Joe Rogan 13:03 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 13:03 ... I'm gonna be right there in front of him, like I always do. You know, I'm gonna make him miss, I'ma make him pay, and I'm gonna fight my, my fight." So, uh, I felt like that was the key for, uh, the victory because he wasn't used to fighting southpaws.

Joe Rogan 13:19 Do you feel as comfortable orthodox as southpaw? Does there ... Do you feel like you're better in one stance or is it just depending upon the opponent?

Terence Crawford 13:28 I think it's dependent on the opponent. You know, uh, I feel I'm equally as, uh, great in both stands. I'm very powerful in s- both stands. Um, I hit just as hard with my left, probably even harder with my left than my right, you know, but, uh, I think it's the opponent.

Joe Rogan 13:49 They were talking about it in the broadcast. They said that when you were a kid, you hurt your hand, and so that's why you started practicing southpaw.

Terence Crawford 13:57 Yeah, that's when I started actually practicing it, you know. Uh, that was something that, uh, when I, when I, when I had the cast on, I was like, man, I love the gym so much. I'm like, man, I'm not leaving the gym. Like, I'm gonna practice with this left. And that's when I got the left stronger. Because at first, when I go southpaw, it was only, you know, my right, my right, my right. And then when my hand got messed up, just start working on the left and it started getting stronger and stronger, and I start getting more accurate. 'Cause at first, just throw it just to be throwing it, and then, you know, it just got to a point where they both ... My left was actually way stronger than my right when it came back. So I had to get my right back stronger.

Joe Rogan 14:45 That's cra- It's crazy that you have that option, 'cause that's such a amazing advantage to be able to fight just as comfortably from orthodox to southpaw.

Terence Crawford 14:53 Oh yeah, definitely, definitely. You know, um, I look at it like, you can't go nowhere.

Joe Rogan 15:00 Right.

Terence Crawford 15:00 Like you trapped. Like-

Joe Rogan 15:01 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 15:02 ... you move to your left, I can go southpaw and cut you off. You move to your right, I can go orthodox and cut you off. So, and then it, and then it is great that I can pack a punch in both hands as well, because a lot of people when they switch, they give up something.

Joe Rogan 15:18 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 15:18 I think when I switch, I gain something in both stands that I probably don't have in the other stands.

Joe Rogan 15:26 Mm.

Terence Crawford 15:26 So, um, it's great for me.

Joe Rogan 15:30 Did anybody ever try to discourage you from switching up that much?

Terence Crawford 15:33 Of course.

Joe Rogan 15:34 Did they?

Terence Crawford 15:34 My, my coach, he used to always ...

Joe Rogan 15:36 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 15:36 He used to get mad, like, "You need to focus on, uh, one stance and doing it right before you start switching. You ain't even got the ork- orthodox stance down pat, uh, all the way, and then you trying to go southpaw." I'm like, "All right, all right." Then I go orthodox, and then in the fight, boom.

Joe Rogan 15:55 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 15:55 I switch, then I switch back. He like, "Stop switching."

Joe Rogan 15:58 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 15:59 And then I win the fight like, "What?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:02 When did he stop telling you to stop switching?

Terence Crawford 16:04 When I was winning.

Joe Rogan 16:05 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 16:06 He was just like, he was like, "All right, since, since I can't stop you from switching, we just gonna train that way."

Joe Rogan 16:12 Mm.

Terence Crawford 16:12 So yeah, if you do four rounds, you gonna do two rounds s- southpaw, you gonna do two rounds orthodox. That's just how we started training.

Joe Rogan 16:21 Well, it's amazing how it turned out. And for Spence, you know, who always fights southpaw, like to see you as a southpaw too, like, probably created a little bit of an adjustment for him.

Terence Crawford 16:32 Yeah. Yeah. Especially given that he wasn't fighting too many southpaws in his whole career-

Joe Rogan 16:38 Right.

Terence Crawford 16:38 ... that much, so-

Joe Rogan 16:39 It seemed like after you dropped him in the second, right, uh, somewhere in like the middle of the third, you started to turn the heat up, then you started closing the distance and you were like smothering him. You know, like somewhere in the third, it seemed like you picked up the intensity. Is that when you felt like you started to get to him?

Terence Crawford 16:57 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I felt like I was, I was in control the whole fight, you know. Um, the first round neither one of us really did anything. We was kind of just feeling each other out. The second round, he kind of started picking it up a little bit and, um, I, I caught him with them two shots. I feel like that's what led me to get more control because I w- I felt as if I, I caught him off guard. He wasn't expecting me to punch as hard as I did. So I could see on his face he was kind of like, "Whoa." You know? And then the rest, you know, I was in control.

Joe Rogan 17:40 Yeah, you were in control. It was ... It's an amazing performance. But now that you've accomplished this, and now that you're the first man ever to be undisputed in two different weight classes, like what are the offers now? Are people coming out ... 'Cause I've hear, I hear all this talk about Jermell. I hear this talk about Canelo. Like, where, where are they at right now?

Terence Crawford 18:00 Well, you know, Canelo and Jermell is fighting. I wanted to fight, uh, Jermell next since he was the, uh, 154 pound undisputed, uh, champion. But as you know, they gonna strip him for his belt once the bell ring when he fight Canelo.

Joe Rogan 18:19 So your goal was to go up and become undisputed in three different weight classes.

Terence Crawford 18:24 There you go. There you go.

Joe Rogan 18:25 Ooh. Wow.

Terence Crawford 18:25 Something that never been done before.

Joe Rogan 18:27 Right.

Terence Crawford 18:27 And, you know, uh...... is greatness. Like I said, this is my era and I'm, I'm taking it. Ain't nobody gonna stop me. So, now I need to shift gears because I know I wanted to fight Jermell, but if he lose to Canelo, I wouldn't... I always said, man, that's a big step. That's a big step. But for a person to go up three weight classes, from 147 to 168, and to win?

Joe Rogan 19:02 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 19:02 And become undisputed? Wow. What can they say?

Joe Rogan 19:06 What can they say?

Terence Crawford 19:06 They can't say, they can't say nothing right now, but what can they say?

Joe Rogan 19:11 Well, then, then you're in, like, the greatest of all time discussion.

Terence Crawford 19:15 I'm already in them.

Joe Rogan 19:16 Yeah, you are.

Terence Crawford 19:16 In them discussions.

Joe Rogan 19:17 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 19:17 But I'm saying, but what would they say, though?

Joe Rogan 19:21 They can't-

Terence Crawford 19:21 Three-time Undisputed Champion-

Joe Rogan 19:23 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 19:23 ... and the, and the smaller fighter that went up three weight divisions to conquer one of the, the baddest mans, besides hisself, that's been doing it for probably longer than me.

Joe Rogan 19:36 So you said 68, but you r- you mean 54, right?

Terence Crawford 19:40 No, 68.

Joe Rogan 19:40 You wanna go up to 68?

Terence Crawford 19:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:42 So, so who would you fight at 68, Canelo?

Terence Crawford 19:44 If he w- yeah, if he win.

Joe Rogan 19:46 Wow.

Terence Crawford 19:46 Or Charlo. W- the winner.

Joe Rogan 19:49 Wow.

Terence Crawford 19:49 I wanna-

Joe Rogan 19:49 That, that would be crazy.

Terence Crawford 19:51 I wanna be three-time Undisputed.

Joe Rogan 19:53 To jump up like that 21 pounds.

Terence Crawford 19:55 Yes.

Joe Rogan 19:56 What do you walk around at?

Terence Crawford 19:57 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 19:58 You don't know?

Terence Crawford 19:59 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 19:59 Oh, you don't wanna tell, man. (laughs)

Terence Crawford 20:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:01 You gotta scale. (laughs)

Terence Crawford 20:02 I don't know. I don't know. You know what I mean? But...

Joe Rogan 20:06 How much time would you need to prepare for something like that? Would you gain weight? Would you do anything different?

Terence Crawford 20:09 I would have to... I would definitely have to gain weight.

Joe Rogan 20:11 Yeah?

Terence Crawford 20:12 You know? And I... I just believe in my, my abilities, you know. Uh, Canelo's not a big guy.

Joe Rogan 20:18 Right.

Terence Crawford 20:18 You know, he's 5'8". He's-

Joe Rogan 20:19 Right, fought at 52 when he fought Pacquiao.

Terence Crawford 20:22 Yeah. He, he, he-

Joe Rogan 20:23 Or when he fought Floyd, rather.

Terence Crawford 20:24 He's, he's big, like, muscular-wise, but far as, like, height?

Joe Rogan 20:31 Right.

Terence Crawford 20:31 Nah. So, uh, yeah, that wouldn't be n- nothing that... You know, we'll have to see.

Joe Rogan 20:38 That would be insane. For you to go from 140 all the way up to 168.

Terence Crawford 20:44 That'd be dope.

Joe Rogan 20:45 Woo! So-

Terence Crawford 20:47 I think it can happen. I think that's... To be, to be honest, I think that's the biggest fight in boxing.

Joe Rogan 20:52 Hm.

Terence Crawford 20:53 He beat Charlo, Terence Crawford, Canelo. That's the biggest fight in boxing, hands down.

Joe Rogan 21:00 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 21:00 No other fight, fighters could compa- compare to that, you know.

Joe Rogan 21:07 Right.

Terence Crawford 21:07 No disrespect to Charlo, but he's not, he's not a superstar. He's not, you know, on Canelo's level. Now, he got a chance. Don't get me wrong. Like, he's gonna do well in that fight and he got the tools to win. You know? It's just about preparation and what type of fight he fight.

Joe Rogan 21:28 Now, Canelo and him are fighting at 68. And when are they fighting? Is that September?

Terence Crawford 21:35 Yes. September 30th, I think.

Joe Rogan 21:39 Hm. So when would you like to get back in? Like, what would be good for you? Like, how much of a turnaround?

Terence Crawford 21:47 Well, they'll probably... If they fight in September, it'll probably be next year. But that'll give me time to, you know-

Joe Rogan 21:54 Bulk up.

Terence Crawford 21:55 Yeah. Get my body right.

Joe Rogan 21:57 Yeah. What kind of, uh, strength and conditioning routine do you do now? Do you... 'Cause, how much... Is it difficult for you to make 47 or is it pretty easy?

Terence Crawford 22:05 No, it was a little difficult.

Joe Rogan 22:07 Yeah?

Terence Crawford 22:07 It was a little difficult. Yeah. I had to wear the little plastics and sauna suits this, this time. But, you know, I don't know what it is. I go up in weight and then the weight be going up on me. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:23 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 22:23 So-

Joe Rogan 22:23 Your body adapts.

Terence Crawford 22:24 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:24 Likes the heat, likes to get thick.

Terence Crawford 22:26 Right. So.

Joe Rogan 22:27 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 22:27 So it's cool, though. It's cool.

Joe Rogan 22:29 So when... Like, at a, at a normal camp, um, what does your training routine consist of? Like, do you, do you do running? Do you do strength and conditioning workouts in the gym? Like, what do you do as far as, like, physical preparation?

Terence Crawford 22:42 I do it all. I run, I swim, strength and condition, um, plyometrics, all that.

Joe Rogan 22:50 You do swimming?

Terence Crawford 22:51 Yes.

Joe Rogan 22:52 A lot of people are doing swimming now.

Terence Crawford 22:54 Yeah, I been doing that my whole career.

Joe Rogan 22:55 Really? What do you like about swimming?

Terence Crawford 22:57 I just think, you know, it helps on your breathing. It helps on your breathing, your endurance. It, it's, it's better on your joints.

Joe Rogan 23:04 Hm.

Terence Crawford 23:04 You know? Because we don't run every day.

Joe Rogan 23:07 Right.

Terence Crawford 23:07 So, um, yeah, it, it, it helps tremendously.

Joe Rogan 23:11 And do you lift weights?

Terence Crawford 23:12 Yeah. Yeah. But not, not, not heavy.

Joe Rogan 23:15 Right.

Terence Crawford 23:15 We lift probably, like, 20 pounds, like, something light.

Joe Rogan 23:19 Mm-hmm. Just a lot of endurance work.

Terence Crawford 23:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:21 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 23:21 L- little quick twitch muscles.

Joe Rogan 23:24 So if you have a fight where you're gonna go up to 168 pounds, how much time do you think you need to get ready physically for that?

Terence Crawford 23:32 I'm ready now.

Joe Rogan 23:33 You ready now? (laughs)

Terence Crawford 23:36 I'm, I- I'm, I'm the type of fighter that I just believe in myself, you know, and I don't think... A lot of people think it's all about weight, but I think it's about the skills. You know, um, I got the power to make anybody respect me. I don't care what y- what your weight is. If I catch you in the right spot at the right time, you gonna feel it, you know? And I just feel like it's called boxing for a reason. I'm gonna out-think you.

Joe Rogan 24:03 Yeah. Well, you showed that in that fight. I mean, th- just the defense, everything, man. It was a masterclass. That's what I love about boxing. Like, if I wanted to show someone a boxing match, I would show a, a fight like that. Like, this is what I love about boxing. Like, this man is right in front of that dude and he's rolling with every shot.

Terence Crawford 24:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:22 He's picking off every shot the other dude throws at him and he's countering with, like, split-second timing.

Terence Crawford 24:28 Yeah. And that's hard to do.

Joe Rogan 24:30 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 24:30 That's hard to do.

Joe Rogan 24:31 Obviously.

Terence Crawford 24:31 And you gotta be comfortable enough to have confidence that you gotta take chances.

Joe Rogan 24:36 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 24:37 Like when, when I s- when I dropped him with the uppercut and the hook, I got hit in the-

Joe Rogan 24:44 With the left hand, right?

Terence Crawford 24:45 Y- yeah. I got hit while I was throwing the uppercut-

Joe Rogan 24:47 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 24:47 But I knew that going into it because I baited him in-

Joe Rogan 24:51 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 24:51 And set a trap. So in my mind, I'm gonna take one to get this, get this off. Then come back with something else and that's how I got the, the drop, the second drop.

Joe Rogan 25:03 Yeah, that uppercut was genius. It was just inside, tight, boom.

Terence Crawford 25:08 Gotta go. Perfect timing.

Joe Rogan 25:09 Um, how hard does Spence hit?

Terence Crawford 25:11 Uh, he didn't hit, he didn't hit that hard.

Joe Rogan 25:13 Well, he never caught you that clean.

Terence Crawford 25:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:14 That was probably the best shot he landed.

Terence Crawford 25:16 No, he caught me, he caught me a couple of times, but, you know, I was surprised at how hard he didn't hit.

Joe Rogan 25:23 Really?

Terence Crawford 25:24 I mean, given that everybody say, "Oh, he's a big puncher. He's this..." I think he's just a volume puncher. I think he just wears his opponents down, just wear 'em down. Uh, I don't think, you know, he, he has a one-punch knockout. He have power, but it's not like, you know, boom, sleep.

Joe Rogan 25:43 Right.

Terence Crawford 25:43 You know what I mean? I think it's like bam, oh, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then he would just wear you down.

Joe Rogan 25:49 Right. Yeah. That is a difference, right?

Terence Crawford 25:53 'Cause if you look at his career, you never seen him, like, knock nobody out with one punch. You never see him, you know, dropping nobody with one punch. You already see him, like, wearing 'em down, wearing them down. That's why he go so, so hard to the body.

Joe Rogan 26:08 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 26:08 'Cause he wanna wear you down. Then once, once you get tired and once your body start weakening, everything start weakening. Those little punches that wasn't hurting start hurting, though, so...

Joe Rogan 26:20 Well, that was probably your most anticipated fight, but what do you, what do you think was, like, your most difficult fight?

Terence Crawford 26:26 I would think Gamboa.

Joe Rogan 26:29 Really?

Terence Crawford 26:29 I would say Gamboa because the experience at the time, you know, um, you gotta understand, I came from fighting six-round fights, you know, to a 10-round fight on, uh, HBO when I got the Brittis Prescott fi- fight. So then I fight him, then I fight another guy for a interim, the NABO, and then I fight for a title eliminator in Klimov, and then I fight, uh, Ricky Burns, and then I come back and fight Gamboa when I become champion. And Gamboa was labeled the next Floyd Mayweather. He was on the pound-for-pound list. You know, everybody had Gamboa at a high rating, you know, so he's Olympic gold medal, you know, he had the experience over me. And so I think I learned a lot in that fight and that's what made it, you know, uh, hard because that was something that I never experienced in a fighter, uh, before, so it was a great learning experience.

Joe Rogan 27:35 That's one of the most interesting things about watching a very talented fighter, is seeing how they respond to the next level of opposition and the next level of challenges, like, like you're saying, going up from six rounds to eight rounds to 10 to 12 and seeing the different caliber of competition. You know, when you, when you look at, like, a boxer's career, it's, it's interesting because when they're kind of at the end of the line in their late 30s, it's the time when they have the most experience, they know the most, but their body doesn't really perform as well anymore. Like, there's this kind of balancing act. And the guy who beat that better than anybody was Bernard Hopkins.

Terence Crawford 28:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:19 'Cause Bernard was world-class up until, like, he was 50, which is so crazy.

Terence Crawford 28:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:25 Like how the fuck did he do that?

Terence Crawford 28:27 I think 'cause his body was more preserved being when he was in jail.

Joe Rogan 28:31 Hmm.

Terence Crawford 28:31 And he didn't have all the wear and tear on his body. You know, my, my guy, Steven Nelson, he's, he's another one. He's 35 years old and he's still moving like he's, he's young 'cause he never did no sports.

Joe Rogan 28:45 Oh.

Terence Crawford 28:45 He started, he started boxing at, like, 18 (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 28:49 Oh.

Terence Crawford 28:50 You know? So, uh-

Joe Rogan 28:51 No injuries?

Terence Crawford 28:52 Yeah. He j- he, he just had a injury about few years ago. He tore his Achilles. He was out for two years, but he back like nothing happen.

Joe Rogan 29:01 That's a big one.

Terence Crawford 29:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:02 Achilles is a big... Jamal Hill, the UFC light heavyweight champ, had just tore his Achilles.

Terence Crawford 29:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:07 That's a rough one.

Terence Crawford 29:08 Definitely.

Joe Rogan 29:09 And Jamal told tore it playing basketball, which is crazy.

Terence Crawford 29:12 He tore his sparring moving backwards.

Joe Rogan 29:15 Really?

Terence Crawford 29:15 Yes. He was just moving backwards. It wasn't nothing crazy. He was just moving backwards and it just pop. Pop. He said he thought somebody, like, hit him and he was just like, he looked down, like, "Man..." He thought it was me at first. I'm way on the bag, I'm like, "What?" He's like, "Man, I fucked up." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:35 (laughs) Like what?

Terence Crawford 29:36 He was like, "Man, my Achilles." I'm like, "How you know?" He was like, "Man, I heard it pop." And so, like, everybody getting around him, I'm like, "Man, you gotta go to the hospital. Let's go." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:45 Wow.

Terence Crawford 29:45 Yeah, it was a fr-

Joe Rogan 29:46 Two years?

Terence Crawford 29:47 Two years out the gym, I mean, out the ring.

Joe Rogan 29:49 That's a long one. It's, it's a crazy injury to come back from.

Terence Crawford 29:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:54 'Cause it's such a thick tendon and when it pops, it's just a disaster.

Terence Crawford 29:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:00 Have you had any, like, significant injuries?

Terence Crawford 30:02 No.

Joe Rogan 30:03 That's amazing.

Terence Crawford 30:04 Yes.

Joe Rogan 30:05 So when you say, like, like for Bernard, like, he preserved his body. I know you're very disciplined and I know that, like, are y- are you, do you ever take time, like, after a big fight like that where you go off the rails and eat pizza every day and go crazy or do you stay disciplined?

Terence Crawford 30:20 Well, I don't eat beef or pork, but-

Joe Rogan 30:22 You don't eat beef or pork?

Terence Crawford 30:23 Or pork.

Joe Rogan 30:24 Really?

Terence Crawford 30:25 Yeah. But my, uh, my eating habits is not the best, you know. I still drink pop here and there. I still... I didn't lighten up on candy. I used to eat...... tons of candy, like, every day.

Joe Rogan 30:37 Really?

Terence Crawford 30:38 I used to eat tons of candy, but, you know, I don't think-

Joe Rogan 30:41 While you were fighting?

Terence Crawford 30:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:43 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 30:43 In camp, too. I don't know. It was just something that... Listen, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna make weight, I'm gonna get everything done, but I'm, I'ma have my candy.

Joe Rogan 30:53 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 30:53 And like-

Joe Rogan 30:54 What kind of candy?

Terence Crawford 30:55 I just liked the... you know, uh, the Jolly Ranchers, the chewy ones. Just chewy, chewy candy. The Starbursts, the, uh, the gummies. I used to just always eat those.

Joe Rogan 31:06 Well, when you're training a lot, it's not bad to have a little extra sugar.

Terence Crawford 31:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:10 Like, Floyd used to drink sodas after he trained.

Terence Crawford 31:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:13 And everybody's like, "Why would he do that?" But then I talked to a nutritionist, and he's like, it's actually, after a very hard workout, like, uh, sparring and hitting the bag, it's actually a good way to replenish glucose.

Terence Crawford 31:24 Yeah. That's, that's, that's probably why I always was drinking, you know.

Joe Rogan 31:28 Hmm.

Terence Crawford 31:29 Uh, and cutting weight. I don't know why when I'm cutting weight, I'd be like, all right, even though water... I mean, even though pop gonna make me more thirsty, I'd be like, "I need a Sprite." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:40 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 31:41 I need a Sprite, a cold Sprite. And they'd be like, "What?" I'd be like, "I just need this Sprite."

Joe Rogan 31:45 How come you don't eat beef or pork?

Terence Crawford 31:47 I... Uh, I don't eat beef. Pork is just, you know, bad for you, and it's not healthy, you know. And I think when, uh... Beef, I stopped eating beef, like, probably like seven years ago. Probably even more than that.

Joe Rogan 32:01 Really?

Terence Crawford 32:02 Yeah. Um, I had, I had back problems, and I was like, "Man, my back was just hurting so bad," and I didn't know what it was. So I went to the hospital. I went to the, to the emergency. And so they did the, uh, MRI and CAT scan and stuff like that on my back, and I had backed up shit all up my back.

Joe Rogan 32:23 What?

Terence Crawford 32:24 Backed up shit.

Joe Rogan 32:25 (laughs) Really? That's what was hurting your back?

Terence Crawford 32:28 All, all beef. So since I cut out the beef, 'cause they said beef is hard, harder to digest and harder-

Joe Rogan 32:34 Hmm.

Terence Crawford 32:34 ... for your body to break down. So I stopped eating beef and I ain't never had none of them issues ever again.

Joe Rogan 32:40 That's crazy. I've never heard anything like that.

Terence Crawford 32:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:43 So where do you get your protein from?

Terence Crawford 32:46 Uh, chicken.

Joe Rogan 32:47 Just chicken?

Terence Crawford 32:47 Chicken, turkey.

Joe Rogan 32:48 Eggs, fish?

Terence Crawford 32:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:49 Do you eat fish?

Terence Crawford 32:49 Fish, all that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:51 Okay. So chicken, turkey, fish.

Terence Crawford 32:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:53 That's cra-... I've never heard anybody have a... I eat mostly meat.

Terence Crawford 32:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:56 It's like my... That's the most of my diet, is meat.

Terence Crawford 32:59 You probably got a lot of shit in you.

Joe Rogan 33:00 Nope.

Terence Crawford 33:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:02 No. (laughs)

Terence Crawford 33:03 I bet you do.

Joe Rogan 33:08 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 33:09 (laughs) I bet you do. You might, you might not know it, but you got a lot of shit-

Joe Rogan 33:11 Maybe I should get an MRI.

Terence Crawford 33:12 No. Maybe you should do a colon cleanse or something. Do you do colon cleanses?

Joe Rogan 33:16 No.

Terence Crawford 33:16 Do one and you're gonna be amazed.

Joe Rogan 33:18 Really?

Terence Crawford 33:18 Swear.

Joe Rogan 33:19 I don't know about that.

Terence Crawford 33:20 All right.

Joe Rogan 33:22 I don't think there's anything wrong.

Terence Crawford 33:23 I did, I did one. You know, I was doing one in this camp.

Joe Rogan 33:27 Yeah?

Terence Crawford 33:27 And it was crazy, like, you know, shit that come out of you. You be like, "Damn, I had that much shit?"

Joe Rogan 33:31 So did you do, like, a colonic?

Terence Crawford 33:33 No, I just, you know-

Joe Rogan 33:34 The colon is rough.

Terence Crawford 33:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:35 They stick a hose up your ass.

Terence Crawford 33:37 Yeah, I ain't doing that.

Joe Rogan 33:39 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 33:39 Yeah, I ain't doing that. No.

Joe Rogan 33:40 What did you do? What'd you take?

Terence Crawford 33:41 No, I just, you know, take, uh, you know, just a little colon cleanse, uh, dietary.

Joe Rogan 33:48 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 33:48 Not like supplements or-

Joe Rogan 33:50 Right, no, no.

Terence Crawford 33:50 ... stuff like that. Like, just stuff that-

Joe Rogan 33:52 It's like fiber. Yeah.

Terence Crawford 33:53 Yeah, fiber that makes the-

Joe Rogan 33:54 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 33:55 ... shit come out.

Joe Rogan 33:56 And it just, whoa.

Terence Crawford 33:58 Yeah. Um, I did that before, uh, before camp and stuff, and I was like, "Damn." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:06 So if you onl-... Do, do you have someone that prepares your meals?

Terence Crawford 34:09 Yes.

Joe Rogan 34:10 Yeah?

Terence Crawford 34:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:11 So you got, like, a meal prep company?

Terence Crawford 34:13 I got a, I got a nutritionist.

Joe Rogan 34:14 Okay.

Terence Crawford 34:14 I got a, a chef, all that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:16 And you're also... I saw on... Uh, are you a part of that snack thing, too?

Terence Crawford 34:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:21 Yeah. So that's a... What that is, is, uh... That... Is that, um, that dude from BALCO?

Terence Crawford 34:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:28 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 34:29 Victor Conti.

Joe Rogan 34:30 So, yeah.

Terence Crawford 34:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:30 So Victor Cont-... He was on the podcast back in the day. So he's the guy that busted... Or he got busted-

Terence Crawford 34:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:36 ... for... With Barry Bonds-

Terence Crawford 34:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:38 ... and the, the clear where they were giving him that undetectable steroids.

Terence Crawford 34:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:41 And now he's on the other side of it.

Terence Crawford 34:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:43 He's making sure that the whole sport is clean.

Terence Crawford 34:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:46 And nobody knows better than him because he cheated for years.

Terence Crawford 34:48 Yes.

Joe Rogan 34:48 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 34:48 And they, and they hate it. They hate it-

Joe Rogan 34:50 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 34:50 ... because you'll see a lot of people like, "Oh, man, this dude was a cheater. This dude was this, this dude was that." And then, you know, you can't get nothing past them.

Joe Rogan 35:00 Well, he was a cheater, but, you know, just because a guy was a che-... Look, first of all, that's the kind of guy you would want-

Terence Crawford 35:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:06 ... being involved in cheating-

Terence Crawford 35:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:08 ... and ch- catching cheating.

Terence Crawford 35:09 But he trying to clean up the whole sport.

Joe Rogan 35:11 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 35:11 Like, it's not like he like, "All right, well, you know, I'm sponsoring you. You representing my brand."

Joe Rogan 35:18 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 35:18 He's trying to clean up the whole sport, so you know, he's like, "Why isn't it, like, more transparency?"

Joe Rogan 35:25 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 35:25 Where is the transparency? Like, where is this? Where is that? Why don't... Why can't the world know what's going on-

Joe Rogan 35:31 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 35:32 ... you know, with the, uh, tests that's going on?"

Joe Rogan 35:35 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 35:36 The, the public should know, you know, if these fighters is clean or not.

Joe Rogan 35:40 Right.

Terence Crawford 35:40 Because every month there's fighters coming up positive for steroids or, or banned substances.

Joe Rogan 35:48 Well, look at the Anthony Joshua-Dillian White fight.

Terence Crawford 35:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:50 Gets canceled two weeks out.

Terence Crawford 35:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:52 Huge heavyweight fight.

Terence Crawford 35:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:54 And Dillian White pops.

Terence Crawford 35:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:55 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 35:56 And that's not the first time.

Joe Rogan 35:57 No, he's popped before, right?

Terence Crawford 35:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:58 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 35:59 So it's, it's, it's, it's, it's sad for Anthony Joshua to, you know, go through those things that... "I'm training for this fighter," and then he pop, now, boom, "I'm hit with."

Joe Rogan 36:10 Right.

Terence Crawford 36:10 "Got to prepare for somebody else." And them the worst ones when they come, you know, at the last minute-

Joe Rogan 36:15 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 36:15 ... and they ready.

Joe Rogan 36:16 Right.

Terence Crawford 36:16 'Cause some people just train just waiting for that call.

Joe Rogan 36:20 Right.

Terence Crawford 36:20 And, you know, you never know.

Joe Rogan 36:22 Also, him fighting Helenus after Deontay starched him. That's like... 'Cause everyone's gonna prepare... compare you, rather.

Terence Crawford 36:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:30 'Cause Deontay, Deontay hits so hard it's... It doesn't even make sense.

Terence Crawford 36:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:35 He hits so, he, he hits so different-

Terence Crawford 36:38 Definitely.

Joe Rogan 36:38 ... than everybody else.

Terence Crawford 36:40 Definitely.

Joe Rogan 36:40 It doesn't make sense, man. The Helenius fight, he was, like, moving back, and he went like that, blap.

Terence Crawford 36:47 Yeah, he-

Joe Rogan 36:47 And that dude just shut off.

Terence Crawford 36:49 He blessed with, with dynamite in, in, in that right hand, like-

Joe Rogan 36:52 Like nobody before.

Terence Crawford 36:54 Nobody.

Joe Rogan 36:54 Like nobody. Like nobody. In the history of the heavyweight division, we have some giant punchers, Ernie Shavers-

Terence Crawford 37:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:00 ... George Foreman, Mike Tyson, but I put Deontay-

Terence Crawford 37:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:04 ... at the top of the heap.

Terence Crawford 37:06 Right. (laughs) Hey, he, he... I don't know. I don't know, man, 'cause those guys, you know what I mean, they was tough as nails back in the days.

Joe Rogan 37:13 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 37:13 But I think Deontay Wilder, man, he hit you couple of times with that right hand.

Joe Rogan 37:18 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 37:19 If you ain't Tyson Fury, you going to sleep.

Joe Rogan 37:21 Right. He's the only dude.

Terence Crawford 37:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:23 He's the only dude. The first fight was bananas.

Terence Crawford 37:26 Yes.

Joe Rogan 37:26 When he catches him with that right hand and the left hook as he's going down, then Deontay goes like this, "Ah," and he thought it was over, and this motherfucker rises like the undertaker.

Terence Crawford 37:35 Yes.

Joe Rogan 37:36 Just got... I was like, "There is no way. There's no way." And then he starts outboxing him.

Terence Crawford 37:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:41 Like, how?

Terence Crawford 37:42 He beat him that s- I mean, I thought he came back and won the rest of the round.

Joe Rogan 37:46 I think he did.

Terence Crawford 37:47 That's-

Joe Rogan 37:47 And then he took that strategy into the second fight.

Terence Crawford 37:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:50 He realized that Deontay does not fight as well when you're going after him.

Terence Crawford 37:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:55 And so then he just dominates the second fight and dominates the third. But in the third, when he... He got rocked one so hard, you could watch the ripple the shockwave go down his body, and it was jiggling his fat.

Terence Crawford 38:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:08 Jiggling his back fat from the shot, which just boom. There's... I don't think there's another person-

Terence Crawford 38:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:14 ... in the heavyweight division that would've ate that shot like Tyson did.

Terence Crawford 38:17 At all. I think, I think... I told everybody both, both fighters won that fight, the first fight. I said because Tyson Fury, I don't know if he made the count, but any other fighter, you get dropped like that, they was gonna call it off.

Joe Rogan 38:33 Right.

Terence Crawford 38:33 'Cause dude literally, boom-

Joe Rogan 38:36 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 38:36 ... looked up, and it was just like any other fighter, they would've counted out. And I feel like Tyson Fury won on points.

Joe Rogan 38:45 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 38:45 I, I, I... He was winning the fight. He got up, still winning. Second fight, Tyson Fury hands down, but the third fight, Deontay Wilder could've made it a better, interesting fight, but he got tired.

Joe Rogan 38:59 Hmm.

Terence Crawford 38:59 He was working real well-

Joe Rogan 39:01 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 39:01 ... but he got tired. But, you know, uh, Tyson Fury's smart. He started putting that weight on him start-

Joe Rogan 39:06 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 39:07 ... laying on him (laughs) . You know what I mean? So-

Joe Rogan 39:09 No, he's incredible.

Terence Crawford 39:10 That's the, that's the experience, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 39:12 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 39:12 So.

Joe Rogan 39:13 He's incredible.

Terence Crawford 39:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:14 I mean, and he's such a character too, such a fun dude.

Terence Crawford 39:17 Yeah, he funny.

Joe Rogan 39:18 He's so funny. He got so mad at me 'cause I said Jon Jones would fuck him up.

Terence Crawford 39:22 (laughs) in the, in the, in the octagon, yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:24 (laughs) Yeah, I said in a fight, in a fight-fight. He's like, "No man would beat me."

Terence Crawford 39:29 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 39:29 "Lock me in a room with any man, I'm coming out alive."

Terence Crawford 39:32 No, Jon, Jon-

Joe Rogan 39:33 No, no, no.

Terence Crawford 39:34 ... he's a, he's a dangerous dude, man. Y'all better leave him alone.

Joe Rogan 39:37 Leave him alone. Yeah. It's just... But listen, I believe firmly that if Tyson Fury learned wrestling and learned Muay Thai when he was younger, just like Jon did, he'd be a world champion.

Terence Crawford 39:47 Yeah-

Joe Rogan 39:47 But I think that guy-

Terence Crawford 39:48 ... but he ain't beating Jon.

Joe Rogan 39:48 He's not beating Jon now.

Terence Crawford 39:49 He ain't beating Jon.

Joe Rogan 39:49 No, no, no, no, no. No one's beating Jon.

Terence Crawford 39:52 Yeah. Even if he was to train when he was little, he's still not beating Jon Jones.

Joe Rogan 39:56 He'd have to be a great wrestler too.

Terence Crawford 39:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:58 Like, the, the thing about Jon is he can do everything.

Terence Crawford 40:01 Everything.

Joe Rogan 40:01 He can do everything. Every... And he's the most... He has the highest octagon IQ. He's the best at, like, implementing his strategy and utilizing his reach and just-

Terence Crawford 40:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:12 ... figuring out how to get ahold of you. He's the best.

Terence Crawford 40:15 He gonna find a way to win.

Joe Rogan 40:16 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 40:17 That's, that's my guy.

Joe Rogan 40:18 He's amazing. He's amazing. But, like, when it comes to heavyweight boxers, Tyson Fury is one of my all-time greats. I have two favorite all-time fighters, Mike Tyson in his prime, which was just like a cultural phenomena.

Terence Crawford 40:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:31 Like, when we would watch Mike Tyson fights back in the day, they were executions.

Terence Crawford 40:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:36 Like, you were just paying... And you were hoping it lasted a little 'cause you're paying for the pay-per-view, like, "I hope he doesn't knock this guy out in 10 seconds."

Terence Crawford 40:43 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:43 So you wanted to see something.

Terence Crawford 40:45 And they was literally, like, two rounds, one round. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:48 It was amazing. People forget, like, when you see him in his prime when he was bobbing and weaving and sw- I was talking to the guys last night at the comedy club, and I was talking about the Marvis Frazier fight. And I... That to me is the most terrifying version of Mike Tyson.

Terence Crawford 41:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:02 'Cause Marvis Frazier really didn't have a chance. His father was propping him up. His father wanted him to fight Tyson 'cause, you know, Joe Frazier would've wanted to fight Tyson when he was in his prime. He's like, "I'm gonna get my son out there and do it."

Terence Crawford 41:13 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:13 And Tyson just came out guns blazing. This was Tyson before he won the title, 24 wins, zero losses, 22 knockouts, and a heavyweight like nobody had ever seen before, moved like a lightweight. His... The way he was bobbing and weaving and coming in close, he was so fast.

Terence Crawford 41:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:32 But his punches were just ridiculous, angles and accuracy. I fucking love this fight.

Terence Crawford 41:40 Yeah. Nobody, nobody was like it, especially in the heavyweight division.

Joe Rogan 41:45 No, it was a totally different thing. This is it.

Terence Crawford 41:47 You see him set up the uppercut, he paw-paw-paw with that jab-

Joe Rogan 41:51 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 41:51 ... and boom.

Joe Rogan 41:52 It was incredible. He... In his prime, I, I feel like I would've loved to see him against any of the greats, any of the greats. Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali, anybody, any of the greats, I would've loved to have seen Tyson in his prime against those guys.

Terence Crawford 42:07 Yeah, if they could take a punch, then it'd be interesting. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:10 (laughs) Like, the punches come so fast.

Terence Crawford 42:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:13 The thing about Tyson too is the speed.

Terence Crawford 42:15 Yeah, that's why I said they could take a punch.

Joe Rogan 42:18 The speed was insane.

Terence Crawford 42:19 'Cause he get hit. Tyson got hit a lot.

Joe Rogan 42:21 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Terence Crawford 42:22 You know, it's just that, you know, he's, he's willing to take a hit to get his powerful hit off.

Joe Rogan 42:28 Well, he also had that neck that started-

Terence Crawford 42:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:30 ... at the top of his ears.

Terence Crawford 42:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:31 His neck started up here, man.

Terence Crawford 42:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:33 It was a crazy neck, man. He could take a punch better than anybody. Better than anybody.

Terence Crawford 42:38 So what you think... Let me ask you a question.

Joe Rogan 42:40 Okay.

Terence Crawford 42:41 So what you think on, uh...... about the business, uh, side of MMA and, and boxing.

Joe Rogan 42:49 In what way?

Terence Crawford 42:50 In, like, you know, the way of the fighters getting, you know... not getting what they deserve.

Joe Rogan 42:57 In MMA?

Terence Crawford 42:58 And boxing. Both.

Joe Rogan 42:59 Well, you know, it's tricky, right? Like this whole thing with you and Spence, like trying to negotiate a p- a proper contract. You know, there's a lot of vultures. There's a lot of weasels. The one good thing about the UFC is that there's one organization that controls it.

Terence Crawford 43:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 43:14 The one bad thing about the UFC is that there's one organization that controls it. So you got good and bad. So, like, if I was a manager of a fighter, I would want fighters... Like, like with your career, where you're tested and you're, you're, you're facing ever increasing challenges, but it's calculated. It's calculated, and you, you get lessons from each fight. And then you build up to a point where you're ready to challenge for a title. Like Jon Jones fought for the title when he was 22. I mean, it was a last-minute fight. Um, Rashad Evans got hurt and Jon Jones went in to fight Shogun. Jon was just so fucking talented, so above everybody else, that he dominated that fight and walked away the world champion and destroyed Shogun. He opened up the fight with a flying knee.

Terence Crawford 44:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:03 22 years old, first title fight, opens up with a flying knee. Who the fuck does that? Nobody does it.

Terence Crawford 44:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:09 Everybody would be nervous, everybody be... Jon just so loose and creative in there. But in MMA, a lot of times fighters get fights they're really not ready for.

Terence Crawford 44:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:22 And they have to take the fight.

Terence Crawford 44:22 And I'm not talking about the aspect of... I'm talking about the business side of it.

Joe Rogan 44:26 Well, the business side, it, it g- b- speaks to that as well because for a fighter to get to a point where they're undefeated and they have a big name, then they start getting the big money.

Terence Crawford 44:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:37 And then they're the headline of the card. And, you know, I think there's a lot of, uh, there's a lot of good in that. There's a lot of good in preparing a fighter properly. Like you see a lot of fighters when they fight for a title, they might have, like, 16-1, 16-0. Like people like undefeated records.

Terence Crawford 44:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:54 It's very rare that a UFC fighter gets all the way to a title fight without some losses.

Terence Crawford 44:58 Definitely.

Joe Rogan 44:59 And I think that also speaks to the, the style differences. The wrestling, the kickboxing, all the different things that you might face inside the octagon and having to prepare for that, but...

Terence Crawford 45:08 That's one thing I like about MMA. You know, uh, those guys, they still great fighters. They still get praise, you know, even though they probably got five losses.

Joe Rogan 45:21 Yes.

Terence Crawford 45:21 You know, one loss don't define how great they is, you know, um, compared to boxing.

Joe Rogan 45:29 Right.

Terence Crawford 45:30 You know? Uh, look how the media and how people is bashing Errol Spence, like he's not great.

Joe Rogan 45:37 Crazy.

Terence Crawford 45:38 You know what I mean? Just because he lost to a all-time great fighter in myself.

Joe Rogan 45:43 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 45:43 You know, uh, that's all the fighters that I done fought. You know, once I fight 'em and, you know, I dismantle 'em, they say, "Oh, well those guys is weak. Those guys are not great fighters. Tho- Those guys is tomato cans. They washed up, they bums." I'm like, "Dang, how can you disrespect this man?" And he done worked his ass off to get to the level that he is.

Joe Rogan 46:05 Undefeated.

Terence Crawford 46:06 To even-

Joe Rogan 46:06 Unified champion.

Terence Crawford 46:06 ... be able to challenge me.

Joe Rogan 46:08 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 46:08 You know what I mean? Uh, can't I just be that good? Why, why they gotta be bums? Why they gotta be tomato cans?

Joe Rogan 46:15 I- Isn't that just a lot of noise though? There's a lot of people that their opinions are stupid.

Terence Crawford 46:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:19 There's a lot of people their opinions suck. It's like-

Terence Crawford 46:21 But if you watch... If you, if you, if you looked at my whole career, that's what was always said. "Terence Crawford haven't fought anybody. Terence Crawford, you know, uh, only fought, uh, washed fighters. Terence Crawford this, Terence Crawford that." But now after the Spence, that's what I said.

Joe Rogan 46:39 They have to shut the fuck up.

Terence Crawford 46:40 That's what I said.

Joe Rogan 46:41 But, but don't listen to those people.

Terence Crawford 46:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:42 Like, listen to Andre Ward.

Terence Crawford 46:44 No, they motivate me.

Joe Rogan 46:45 You know what I'm saying? Oh, they do.

Terence Crawford 46:46 They motivate me.

Joe Rogan 46:48 Oh, okay. (laughs)

Terence Crawford 46:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:49 You're like David Goggins.

Terence Crawford 46:50 I wa- Yeah. I wanna, I wanna see it.

Joe Rogan 46:52 You like the haters.

Terence Crawford 46:52 I wa- I wa- I wanna hear it. I wanna see it because you know that, that lights that fuel.

Joe Rogan 46:57 Right.

Terence Crawford 46:58 And then I just grit my teeth and be like, "Err."

Joe Rogan 47:01 Well, one of the most crazy stories about your career is your mom.

Terence Crawford 47:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:05 It's about how your mom just never gave you any praise.

Terence Crawford 47:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:08 Just like, "Nope, not good enough."

Terence Crawford 47:10 She was tough. She was, she was tough, you know what I mean? And I, I love my mom to death. That's my, that's my heart. That's my girl, you know what I mean? But that was just her way of pushing me to be great, you know what I mean? And, um, she just knew that her son was, was, was so competitive. She was just like, "All right. Let me see how competitive you is. Let me... Come here little kid."

Joe Rogan 47:33 You would... He-

Terence Crawford 47:33 She-

Joe Rogan 47:33 ... she would pay people to try to beat you up. (laughs)

Terence Crawford 47:35 Yeah. No. Well, well we have gloves. We have gloves. And you know-

Joe Rogan 47:38 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 47:38 ... 'cause I come from a, a... My, my family was all into boxing. My dad's side of the family, uh, my mom's side of the family. So, she was always tough. So she'll get the little kids in the neighborhood. $5 if they can, if they can win. We'll be in the front yard and, you know, I, I'll beat 'em all up.

Joe Rogan 47:57 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 47:57 I'll beat 'em all up. I'd be like, "Now, what? You give me the money."

Joe Rogan 48:02 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 48:02 You know.

Joe Rogan 48:03 It's amazing how it worked. I mean, now, it's not something like I think a psychologist would recommend for raising a child.

Terence Crawford 48:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:09 But sometimes they're wrong.

Terence Crawford 48:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:11 You know? And it depends on the person whether or not they can rise to that challenge. And obviously-

Terence Crawford 48:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:16 ... it made you great.

Terence Crawford 48:17 Yeah, I think that's why I said, you know, um, I love to hear the, the doubters, the naysayers because I think it's something in me from my past trauma with my mom. You know, me trying to, trying to prove her wrong. You know, me fighting for her, you know, um, approval. So, you know, it goes back to when I was a kid when, you know, she would say, "Oh man, you ain't, you ain't gonna win it."... and I go out there and win. I come back with the belt, and she taking pictures with the belt.

Joe Rogan 48:50 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 48:50 "Look, look what my son got. Look what my son did." You know what I mean? But then, you know, when, when it's just me and her, "You still ain't shit."

Joe Rogan 48:59 (screams) (laughs)

Terence Crawford 48:59 "You ain't... You ain't gonna win the next one." You know what I mean? So, I laugh and stuff like that.

Joe Rogan 49:04 That's amazing.

Terence Crawford 49:05 Yeah. So it was just, you know, uh, my mom knew what she was doing at a... For, for me, at a young age. She was instilling, you know, mentally, toughness.

Joe Rogan 49:15 Mm.

Terence Crawford 49:15 Because, you know, um, through anything that's going on in my life, I'm always focused. No matter what it is. It can be a loud room full of, full of people. It can be 50 people in a room, and I could be fighting the next day and the average person be like, "Man, what is you doing, dude? You got a big fight tomorrow. Like, you need to be focusing. You need to be resting. You... They need to be out the room." You know, I be sitting there, I be like, "I'm good. Like, I'm not doing nothing. They just sitting here talking."

Joe Rogan 49:47 Right.

Terence Crawford 49:47 "What's wrong with that?" 'Cause I'm so locked in because-

Joe Rogan 49:50 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 49:51 ... once I'm focused on something, (laughs) that's not gonna distract me. And I think that, that comes from my upbringing as well.

Joe Rogan 50:00 Have you ever worked with a sports psychologist or anything?

Terence Crawford 50:03 Nah.

Joe Rogan 50:04 Nothing?

Terence Crawford 50:05 But I used to have to, uh, see counselors and stuff like that when I was little.

Joe Rogan 50:10 If you get in trouble.

Terence Crawford 50:11 Huh?

Joe Rogan 50:11 If you get in trouble.

Terence Crawford 50:12 Oh, I used to get in trouble.

Joe Rogan 50:14 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 50:14 I used to have a anger problem. I used to be mad at the world. And I always tell people, I don't know why I was so mad, but then as I got older, I, I was realized that, you know, my dad was gone and I wanted my dad to be there.

Joe Rogan 50:28 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 50:28 And, like, my mom, like, everything, you know, I do wrong, I was getting a whooping for it. So it was like, that's all I know. You say something I don't like, I'm whooping your ass.

Joe Rogan 50:39 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 50:39 You do something I don't like, I whoop your ass. So, it's just like everything that I was getting at home for getting in trouble, when I go out into the real, real world, I was, you know, doing the same thing that my mom was doing to me. When I get in trouble or say something or do something that she don't like, I was getting a whooping for it. You know. "You're not listening," get a whooping. So, if I be like, "Dude, shut up talking to me," and you still talking to me, you're not listening, now we gotta fight. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:08 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 51:08 I gotta beat your ass, 'cause now-

Joe Rogan 51:11 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 51:11 ... now, now you not listening. Now, you done pissed me off.

Joe Rogan 51:14 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 51:14 So, you know, I used to, I used to get in trouble a lot. I used to get in trouble a lot.

Joe Rogan 51:18 Well, it seems like with all great fighters, they've overcome some serious problems when they're young.

Terence Crawford 51:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:24 Like every great fighter. Uh, it's, it's very rare that you have a great fighter that had like this, like, perfect upbringing where nothing ever went wrong, everything was fine, got everything they wanted-

Terence Crawford 51:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:34 ... anything they needed. You know, it seems like every fighter has to come... They have to overcome people doubting them, people dismissing them. They have to overcome that.

Terence Crawford 51:44 Oh, yeah, definitely. From school to, to everywhere, you know.

Joe Rogan 51:48 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 51:49 A lot of people... Um, I don't think nobody but my family members thought that I was gonna turn out to be the guy that I am today. Like, when I see people that knew me when I was little, they just, you know, like, they just wanna cry. They just like, "Bud, I just can't believe how, how of a man you've grown into. I would've never believed this would be you. Like, you talk so well. You ain't in trouble. You, you, you doing things for the community. I'm just, I'm just in disbelief. Like, I'm just so proud of you." And I just be like, "Thank you," because nobody thought that I would turn out to be who I am today, you know. Uh, and it just goes to, to show that it don't matter how you started. It always matter how you finish.

Joe Rogan 52:36 Well, it's also your composure. You know, you have this ability, like, you can talk shit in the middle of a fight to someone who's sitting ringside.

Terence Crawford 52:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:44 Like, it's kind of amazing. You're just always composed, you know.

Terence Crawford 52:48 Definitely.

Joe Rogan 52:48 I think it's because you've overcome all that shit. But because your mind is centered. Yes, even when we were talking about cars earlier, when I was showing you the Barracuda.

Terence Crawford 52:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:56 You're like, "I don't drive any of my cars. I drive my truck."

Terence Crawford 52:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:58 You just... Listen, all these cool cars you have, you just stay low-key.

Terence Crawford 53:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:02 Stay low-key and keep it together.

Terence Crawford 53:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:04 Stay composed.

Terence Crawford 53:05 I got to. That's just me, you know.

Joe Rogan 53:08 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 53:09 I never, I never want to be nothing other than myself. Like, I remember my family members, you know, a couple of my friends, they're like, "Man, you need to talk more shit. You need to be like Mayweather. You need to do this. You need to do that." I'm like, "No, I don't." I said, "That's him. That's, that's not me."

Joe Rogan 53:26 Right.

Terence Crawford 53:26 They be like, "I mean, you, you see Tank them. You, you see all these fighters. You know, Broner them, you see. That's how you get the money. That's how you get the money. You gotta, you gotta entertain. You gotta show the money. You gotta do this." I'm like, "Nah, I'm gonna be myself." And that's... I thrived on that.

Joe Rogan 53:43 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 53:43 You know, because when it's all said and done, when, when all the money gone, when all the fans done chanting your name, now who you really is.

Joe Rogan 53:54 Right.

Terence Crawford 53:55 Now you gotta search and find the real you. But if the real you been there all along, you gonna, you gonna be happy. You ain't, you ain't gonna have to, you know, go through therapy. You ain't gonna have to be behind friends. You ain't gonna be having to stay in the sport to hear that chant again.

Joe Rogan 54:15 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 54:16 So when you, when you walk away from the sport, you gonna walk away from the sport as a man with your head high, and you just gonna wave.

Joe Rogan 54:23 Yeah. That's beautiful.

Terence Crawford 54:24 Yeah, definitely.

Joe Rogan 54:25 Well, you have a rock solid philosophy. I love that. Uh, it's, it's just one of the things I really admire about Andre Ward. Andre Ward, Olympic gold medalist, two division world champion, retires undefeated. He's like, "I'm gone."

Terence Crawford 54:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:37 "That's good. All my faculties completely intact." And they even offered him a big money fight against Canelo after he beat Kovalev. After he knocked out Kovalev, they offered money to Andre, a lot of money.

Terence Crawford 54:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:49 And he's like, "I think I'm better served boxing as a commentator."

Terence Crawford 54:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:52 Which is amazing for a guy who's still in his physical prime, still... I mean, there's video footage of him working out, still in tip-top commit, condition. Looks fantastic. Throwing combinations.

Terence Crawford 55:01 Yeah, yeah. He had a lot of injuries though.

Joe Rogan 55:03 Yeah, the shoulder. The big one.

Terence Crawford 55:04 And the knee.

Joe Rogan 55:05 The knee was big, but the shoulder, I mean, he's been a one-arm fighter-

Terence Crawford 55:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:08 ... for most of his career, which is so incredible.

Terence Crawford 55:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:10 He beat everybody with a left hand.

Terence Crawford 55:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:12 Everybody. Went through the whole Super Six tournament-

Terence Crawford 55:15 Great.

Joe Rogan 55:16 Beat everybody with a left hand.

Terence Crawford 55:17 Great.

Joe Rogan 55:18 Yeah. And then finally got it fixed and fucked Kovalev up in the rematch with a right hand.

Terence Crawford 55:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:22 It's crazy, crazy.

Terence Crawford 55:24 I always said I wanted to retire from boxing. I never wanted boxing to retire from... retire me. Uh, my goal was always to retire at 33.

Joe Rogan 55:33 33?

Terence Crawford 55:34 33.

Joe Rogan 55:35 Is it because the fights didn't come, like the-

Terence Crawford 55:37 No, I just-

Joe Rogan 55:38 ... Canelo Spence fight or-

Terence Crawford 55:38 Even before that.

Joe Rogan 55:39 But why did you decide to keep going after-

Terence Crawford 55:42 I just... Uh, I, I don't know. It just... Like, my body was just like, "Man, you ain't done." You know what I mean? Even though, you know, I wanted to retire, it was just like, "You're not done." Like, "You got a lot to prove. You got a lot to accomplish. You still in your prime." So it's like, "All right, keep going," 'cause I, I wanted that mega fight.

Joe Rogan 56:04 Mm.

Terence Crawford 56:04 I wanted that, that big fight to where it's, like, no denying who Terence Crawford is, you know, or what he stood for or, you know, the family man he was. I wanted the people still to, to know who Terence Crawford was. And I feel like there was people that knew who I was and that followed me, but it wasn't solidified worldwide yet.

Joe Rogan 56:33 Mm.

Terence Crawford 56:34 So, uh, that's-

Joe Rogan 56:34 But look, now even that it is, you still want the next challenge.

Terence Crawford 56:38 Nah, I really don't have nothing to prove. I can walk away right now, and I consta- played it on that. You know, I do that every day. I wake up, "Do I still wanna box? Do I still wanna box?" Because I don't need to box because I've done great with my money. I invested great with my money. I got a lot of great, uh, businesses. I got a lot of great, uh, things that, that I'm doing, so, uh, that's, that generate money. So I don't need boxing. I'm doing, I'm doing this for legacy, you know? So if it's not... That's why I said if, if Charlo move up in weight and they strip him for his belt, there's no need for me and Charlo to fight 'cause he's not undisputed.

Joe Rogan 57:28 You yelled at him from the, from the ring.

Terence Crawford 57:29 Of course.

Joe Rogan 57:30 You're like, "You next." (laughs)

Terence Crawford 57:31 Of course. I've been saying that for, for years.

Joe Rogan 57:34 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 57:34 I said, "I'm gonna, I'm gonna whoop Spence, then I'm gonna whoop you." And I meant it. You know, um, but yeah, if he's not undisputed, then, you know, that, that, that fight don't, you know... I don't know. It don't... It's not interesting to me no more because I'm trying to make all-time history.

Joe Rogan 57:54 Right.

Terence Crawford 57:55 You know, um, if the Canelo fight, uh, fight come to fruition, then that's a fight that I'd be willing to take just off the wrist.

Joe Rogan 58:07 Mm.

Terence Crawford 58:07 You know, to be one of the all-time greats that... You know, that, that, that, that's a fight that-

Joe Rogan 58:15 That's the one that gets you going. I can see it in your eyes.

Terence Crawford 58:17 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:18 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 58:18 That's a fight. Because it's a challenge.

Joe Rogan 58:20 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 58:20 I love the challenges. And I love, I love the people that... I hear them now. "You're too little." You know, "Canelo gonna break you. He's gonna stomp you." "You coming from 147, that way too big." This and that. I can hear it now, and that just excite me to go in there and just be like, "Okay, let me prove them wrong once again."

Joe Rogan 58:44 That fight would be gigantic. If Canelo gets through Jermell and then you guys fight-

Terence Crawford 58:50 Man.

Joe Rogan 58:50 ... that fight would be gigantic.

Terence Crawford 58:53 And it's crazy because, like, in the past interviews, I was like, "Man, Canelo too big, man. It's weight classes for a reason." I was like, "No." But in my mind, in my heart, I don't think nobody too big, you know, especially in a fight. I'm, I'm a fighter. But, like, I was thinking like, "Man, it could happen?" So you start really sitting down, like, "Man, that fight maybe could happen." Okay, so now you start, you start sizing, sizing them up and be like, "All right, he 5'8", I'm 5'8". My arms longer than his. He bigger than me, but I'm faster." You know what I mean? So then you start doing advantages. (laughs) You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 59:35 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 59:35 You be like, "Man, we right there."

Joe Rogan 59:37 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 59:37 "We right there." You know what I mean? So I was like, "Man."

Joe Rogan 59:41 And it's not like he didn't go up in weight as well.

Terence Crawford 59:42 Yeah, yeah. So that's why I was like, "Man, that's, that's a fight." That-

Joe Rogan 59:47 And it's the same kind of fighter too, because, like, that's why he went up and fought Bivol. That's why he fought Kovalev.

Terence Crawford 59:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:53 He wanted that challenge.

Terence Crawford 59:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:54 For him to go up from junior middleweight all the way up to light heavyweight and win the title.

Terence Crawford 59:59 Definitely. But going up and becoming undisputed against Canelo? Hoo!

Joe Rogan 1:00:06 Hoo! (laughs)

Terence Crawford 1:00:08 Come on, man. I'm flying in, in the sunset, man. Thank you, boxing gods.

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 That would be it?

Terence Crawford 1:00:13 That would be it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:00:15 That's, that's, that's the... That's the only thing it get for me. I didn't accomplish everything there is to accomplish in the sport of boxing. You know, um, there's really nothing for me to accomplish right now. Like, anything... It's about the money now. It's about the money. You know, I'm not gonna sit here and say it's not, but the money and to beat Canelo? If that fight was ever to happen?

Joe Rogan 1:00:43 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 1:00:44 Come on, man. Y'all better leave me alone.

Joe Rogan 1:00:49 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 1:00:49 (Laughs) Y'all better leave me alone, man. Call me, call me, you know what I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:00:53 ... TBC, man. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:00:56 Yeah, man. That's, that's what I've been thinking about. I don't know why. You know, I was just like, man. The last few days, I was like, man, I don't know if it's God talking to me or what, but that's a fight that if he win, if Canelo win, then...... yeah, I'm gonna try to pursue that.

Joe Rogan 1:01:15 I love that. I love that mentality.

Terence Crawford 1:01:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 I do, I love it. I love it. 'Cause that's where it's at. That's, that's what makes all-time greats.

Terence Crawford 1:01:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 It's like, you, you have to have that mountain to climb.

Terence Crawford 1:01:27 But nobody went up... I don't think nobody went up three weight classes.

Joe Rogan 1:01:32 Well, didn't Roy? Roy started 160-

Terence Crawford 1:01:35 No, I'm saying-

Joe Rogan 1:01:36 ... went up to 168.

Terence Crawford 1:01:36 ... I'm saying not at once.

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 Right. Right.

Terence Crawford 1:01:39 You know what I mean? From 147 to 168.

Joe Rogan 1:01:44 No. The closest to that is when Canelo went up 68 to 75, starting at 54.

Terence Crawford 1:01:48 Yeah. No, not starting. I'm saying-

Joe Rogan 1:01:51 Right.

Terence Crawford 1:01:51 ... I started at 135. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:53 Right. That's true, that's true. Right.

Terence Crawford 1:01:54 You know what I mean? I'm just saying, like, say if Canelo was the champion at 147.

Joe Rogan 1:02:00 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 1:02:00 To go up 168.

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 Right, right, right, right in one jump.

Terence Crawford 1:02:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:04 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:02:04 In one jump.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 It's a big jump too. 21 pounds.

Terence Crawford 1:02:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 It's a lot of weight.

Terence Crawford 1:02:09 It's a lot of weight.

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 Yeah. That's, that's exciting.

Terence Crawford 1:02:11 I spar big guys though.

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 Do you?

Terence Crawford 1:02:13 Yeah, I spar big guys. That's why I'm like, I'm starting thinking, like, "Man, uh, uh, I probably can be-"

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 1:02:22 "... great. I probably can be great." You know what I mean? But, you know, it's different in a fight, but I believe in my skills and my ability, and I believe in my team. I believe we'll, we'll come up with something that, you know, um, would be suitable for me to be successful in that fight.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 That would probably be the biggest fight in boxing.

Terence Crawford 1:02:43 Definitely.

Joe Rogan 1:02:44 That fight would be gigantic.

Terence Crawford 1:02:46 It would.

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 That would be a big one. I'll have to go to that one.

Terence Crawford 1:02:49 Definitely.

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 If that one happens, I gotta go to that one live.

Terence Crawford 1:02:50 You was supposed to go to this last one.

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 I couldn't! I was at the UFC.

Terence Crawford 1:02:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 And I wanted to go.

Terence Crawford 1:02:53 It's crazy how they had it on the same day.

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 Yeah, it sucked.

Terence Crawford 1:02:56 But it was good because my fight was early. Then your fight was-

Joe Rogan 1:03:00 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:03:00 ... later on that night, so...

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 I didn't... I've, I've... Unfortunately, somebody spoiled it for me.

Terence Crawford 1:03:05 Oh, they did? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 Yeah, they spoiled it for me. And then I, then I wa- I said, "All right, let me watch the highlights."

Terence Crawford 1:03:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 And I was just watching the highlights on my phone, I was like, "Oh, shit."

Terence Crawford 1:03:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:13 And then I got home and watched the f- the whole fight on the big screen.

Terence Crawford 1:03:16 That's what's up. That's what's up.

Joe Rogan 1:03:17 I actually got Paramount+ just for you.

Terence Crawford 1:03:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 (laughs) So I can watch it.

Terence Crawford 1:03:21 Hey.

Joe Rogan 1:03:22 You couldn't watch it anywhere else after it was already aired.

Terence Crawford 1:03:24 I appreciate it.

Joe Rogan 1:03:25 It was magnificent, man. I just, I love excellence. I love when someone just rises to the top of a shark-infested pool.

Terence Crawford 1:03:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 'Cause that's what boxing is, you know, and when you're at your level, and when you can perform that way against a guy like Errol Spence, against a guy who's an undefeated, you know, elite champion, and for you to perform that way. That's just what, to me, is what boxing is all about. When one person shows that there are levels upon levels-

Terence Crawford 1:03:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:55 ... upon levels upon levels.

Terence Crawford 1:03:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 You know, and then it puts you in this category where people go, "Okay, well, what other champions can move around in weight classes, or go up, or come down?" Like, you know, there's... I know there's been a lot of discussion about different people from different weight classes coming up to you. Is there anything else that's interesting to you other than Canelo or Jermell?

Terence Crawford 1:04:18 Nah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:19 Nothing?

Terence Crawford 1:04:21 Nope.

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 You just need, like, dragons to slay. (laughs)

Terence Crawford 1:04:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:26 You know what I mean? Like, at this point in your life you can't even fight a regular fighter.

Terence Crawford 1:04:29 Yeah, like, I don't know. Like, I get excited when... I don't know why. I get excited when I talk about Canelo like I used, used to get excited about Pacquiao.

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 Really?

Terence Crawford 1:04:41 You know, I used to get s- uh, so excited, like, "Man, I'm gonna be able to fight Pacquiao." You know? Because-

Joe Rogan 1:04:48 Is that the one you think got away?

Terence Crawford 1:04:49 Yeah, it definitely did. It definitely did. I tried, I tried my eyes out.

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 What stopped that fight from happening?

Terence Crawford 1:04:55 They didn't want the fight.

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 It's too dangerous.

Terence Crawford 1:04:57 They didn't want the fight. Freddie Roach said he didn't want the fight. They... H- Pacquiao handlers didn't want the fight.

Joe Rogan 1:05:05 Hmm.

Terence Crawford 1:05:05 You know, I believe Pacquiao, as a fighter, he wanted to fight, but they didn't want to fight for him, so, you know, um, it just got away. Uh, when... Looking back at, like, Floyd career, like, him coming up in the, in the, in the, uh, era that he came up in, he had all them champions that he was able to fight.

Joe Rogan 1:05:27 Hmm.

Terence Crawford 1:05:27 And that's what led him to be, uh, so great, you know, because he fought the most champions, beat the most champions, you know, got the most money for beating the most champions. So it was just like, man, he had this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy. Back to back, the fight, one after one, you know? And, um, when I was coming at the peak of my career, they all retired. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:57 Hmm.

Terence Crawford 1:05:57 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:05:58 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:05:58 So it's like, I can't get these guys' name on my resume, you know what I mean? So it's just like, you know, um, now I'm the old guy in the, uh, in the area, you know, that the young guys wanna try to get a piece of-

Joe Rogan 1:06:14 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:06:15 ... to build their legacy and, uh, put names on their resume. And it's just gonna keep... History gonna keep repeating itself.

Joe Rogan 1:06:25 Yeah, there's always gonna be a new guy coming up. And there's... Like, right now, you got Boots Ennis-

Terence Crawford 1:06:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:30 ... that's in your weight class.

Terence Crawford 1:06:32 Definitely.

Joe Rogan 1:06:33 What do you think about him?

Terence Crawford 1:06:34 Oh, he's very, very talented. He's unproven, but he's very talented.

Joe Rogan 1:06:38 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:06:38 You know, um, the eye test tells it all. You know, he's got the it, you know. Uh, but we haven't seen him against any elite fighter. We've never seen him tested. So, um, until then, you know, we just gonna keep saying, "Oh, Boots, Boots, Boots," until he meet that fighter that's gonna test him.

Joe Rogan 1:06:59 Is he's... Is he the mandatory?

Terence Crawford 1:07:02 Yeah, I've sh- I probably got, like, three mandatories.

Joe Rogan 1:07:05 Really? Oh, right.

Terence Crawford 1:07:05 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:06 Four weight classes, (laughs) four belts.

Terence Crawford 1:07:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:09 It was f- Yeah. Is he... Is that a fight that you would be interested in?

Terence Crawford 1:07:12 Nah. It just don't make sense right now in my career, like I said. Like-... especially money-wise. Don't nobody really know Boots but-

Joe Rogan 1:07:20 Right.

Terence Crawford 1:07:21 ... us.

Joe Rogan 1:07:22 Right.

Terence Crawford 1:07:22 You know, um, I'm looking for bigger and better challenges, like Canelo.

Joe Rogan 1:07:27 You're just looking for the big ones.

Terence Crawford 1:07:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:29 The big fish.

Terence Crawford 1:07:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:31 Fish fry.

Terence Crawford 1:07:32 D- definitely.

Joe Rogan 1:07:34 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 1:07:34 Definitely. Them the, them the guys I'm looking for, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:07:38 Why do you say fish fry?

Terence Crawford 1:07:40 Psh, 'cause he caught hisself the big fish.

Joe Rogan 1:07:42 Oh. (laughs)

Terence Crawford 1:07:44 You know? Errol, Errol said he was the big fish, and I said we was gonna fry him.

Joe Rogan 1:07:48 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 1:07:48 We was gonna, we was gonna reel him in, we was gonna put him on the bank, we was gonna gut him, we was gonna filet him, then we was gonna fry him. And that's what happened.

Joe Rogan 1:07:58 Yeah, and you did it. When... Boxing is... This is a great time for boxing.

Terence Crawford 1:08:03 Definitely.

Joe Rogan 1:08:03 There's so many stars coming up right now.

Terence Crawford 1:08:06 And everybody fighting each other.

Joe Rogan 1:08:08 Yeah. What did you think of the Lomachenko-Devin Haney fight?

Terence Crawford 1:08:11 That was a great fight. I was actually ringside, you know. Uh, Devin, Devin showed a lot of heart, grit. Canelo showed a lot of heart and grit.

Joe Rogan 1:08:21 Lomachenko.

Terence Crawford 1:08:22 I mean, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:23 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 1:08:23 I said Canelo, but see, my mind-

Joe Rogan 1:08:25 He's in your mind. He's like-

Terence Crawford 1:08:26 That's my mind.

Joe Rogan 1:08:26 You're, you're locked in.

Terence Crawford 1:08:27 Yes. Lomachenko, he showed a lot of heart and grit. And, you know, they fought their ass off. You know, they fought their ass off, and the better man won that day.

Joe Rogan 1:08:36 Did you think that the deci- decision made sense?

Terence Crawford 1:08:39 Man, listen, I'm not no judge.

Joe Rogan 1:08:41 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 1:08:42 I, uh, tell people, "I'm not a judge." I can't, you know, tell a person that's been judging probably longer than I've been boxing, you know, uh, what he's basing his, uh, rounds on or why he give what round to who. Um, we can, we can, we can argue all day, but that, that ain't gonna change the results.

Joe Rogan 1:09:08 Right.

Terence Crawford 1:09:09 So, um, I just don't get into it. I just hope that I never be on the end of that, that stick.

Joe Rogan 1:09:16 Right. Yeah, that's, that's what's unfortunate is that it was such a great fight, but so many people thought the decision wasn't right that it sort of diminished the accomplishments of both fighters. 'Cause Devin Haney fought a brilliant fight, and so did Lomachenko. I mean, Lomachenko turned the clock back.

Terence Crawford 1:09:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:09:30 He looked incredible.

Terence Crawford 1:09:31 Yeah, both of them, both of them put on a show, you know. Um, I was, I was rooting for Devin the whole time, you know. Um, but both of them put a, put a hell of a show on. And, you know, uh, gotta tip my hats off to them because, you know, they put it all on the line.

Joe Rogan 1:09:48 Yeah, and, you know, that weight class is a fucking stacked weight class too. When Devin Haney beat Kambosos, and beat him twice, and just the way he did it, like the way he looked. I mean-

Terence Crawford 1:09:59 Oh, I already knew that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:00 You already knew that? Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:10:01 Definitely. Not, not, not taking nothing away from Kambosos. It's just-

Joe Rogan 1:10:06 Levels.

Terence Crawford 1:10:06 ... it's levels.

Joe Rogan 1:10:07 Levels. Yeah. Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:10:07 You know, it's the reason why, you know, people was avoiding Devin and Shakur.

Joe Rogan 1:10:14 Right.

Terence Crawford 1:10:14 'Cause those two boxing phenoms, you know, if you're not, if you're not on that, that, that level mentally, like, you're not even gonna compete with those two dudes.

Joe Rogan 1:10:28 Right.

Terence Crawford 1:10:29 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:10:29 It's, it's such an interesting thing because a lot of people don't know, you know, the, the, the general public, when someone gets to, like, an elite level, they need some high-profile fight in order for people to realize.

Terence Crawford 1:10:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:10:43 'Cause all the boxing fans realize, like Shakur's a great example. He's not really a household name, but he should be.

Terence Crawford 1:10:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:10:50 I mean, he's a, a lead fighter. He's so fucking good, but he needs, like, a big high-profile fight like Gervonta did, you know, against Ryan Garcia.

Terence Crawford 1:11:01 Nobody wanna fight him.

Joe Rogan 1:11:02 Right.

Terence Crawford 1:11:03 Nobody wanna fight him.

Joe Rogan 1:11:04 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:11:04 And I, and I, and I see why, you know. I get it. But at the same time, you know, they gonna have to see him sooner or later. No matter what, no matter how far they, they, they go, they're gonna have to see him sooner or later. So, you know, all these fighters, you know, he's calling out everybody. He's calling out the Pit Bull. He's calling out Lomachenko.

Joe Rogan 1:11:25 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:11:26 He's calling out Devin. He's calling out, you know, Tank. He calling out everybody.

Joe Rogan 1:11:31 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:11:31 He wanna fight everybody right now.

Joe Rogan 1:11:34 Right.

Terence Crawford 1:11:34 You know, and, uh, that's a dangerous man when you know how talented he is. And he's motivated. He's focused. He's, he's stay in the gym. He's a gym rat. He, he, he loves boxing to the core. Like, yeah, that's a, that's a dangerous man right now 'cause he, he got something on his mind that, you know, he wanna, he wanna accomplish.

Joe Rogan 1:11:57 And he's still very young.

Terence Crawford 1:11:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:59 Very young and still getting better with every fight.

Terence Crawford 1:12:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:12:02 Him versus Tank would be insane.

Terence Crawford 1:12:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:04 Tank is one of the most interesting fighters to watch 'cause he's so different. His style is so different.

Terence Crawford 1:12:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:12:10 You know, he's so economical. Like, he puts pressure on guys without throwing too many punches, and then he starts to figure holes out. And the way he can explode and move in with one shot, my God.

Terence Crawford 1:12:23 Yeah, he, he very explosive. He's very explosive. And, you know, uh, man, he be cracking them dudes.

Joe Rogan 1:12:31 Phew. Cracking people. (laughs)

Terence Crawford 1:12:32 (laughs) He be, he be putting them to sleep. I ain't gonna lie.

Joe Rogan 1:12:35 Just cracking people.

Terence Crawford 1:12:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:36 And he has so much confidence in his power.

Terence Crawford 1:12:39 Definitely.

Joe Rogan 1:12:39 So much confidence in his power that he doesn't give a fuck if he's giving away a couple rounds in a game.

Terence Crawford 1:12:42 Yeah, he definitely be giving away rounds, but, you know, he just, in his mind, he know it's a matter of time before I catch you.

Joe Rogan 1:12:50 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:12:50 And that's the, that's the thing with Tank, you know, these, these fighters, you know, uh, you gotta be aware 15 rounds. I know you going 12, but you- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:13:03 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 1:13:03 ... you gotta think you going three more because, you know, the slightest slip, and we seen it-

Joe Rogan 1:13:10 Yep.

Terence Crawford 1:13:10 ... you know, time and time again. One slip, one mistake, and it's over.

Joe Rogan 1:13:16 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:13:16 You know, so, uh, you know, hats off to, uh, Tank.You know, he's, he's, he's a great talented fighter, but again, he haven't faced the top-

Joe Rogan 1:13:27 Right.

Terence Crawford 1:13:27 ... elite, uh, fighters in his division.

Joe Rogan 1:13:30 Right.

Terence Crawford 1:13:30 You know? So, uh, we wanna see Tank against, you know, somebody his size, you know, at the, at the, uh, elite level.

Joe Rogan 1:13:38 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:13:38 And I, I believe he'll do good 'cause, you know, he got the skills, the power. He got that ring IQ to do good. But we haven't seen that yet.

Joe Rogan 1:13:48 Yeah, he's in- he's also wild.

Terence Crawford 1:13:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:50 He's a wild fella, so he's fun to watch, you know?

Terence Crawford 1:13:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:52 He's just a crazy dude, you know?

Terence Crawford 1:13:54 Yeah. Coming from Baltimore, man-

Joe Rogan 1:13:56 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:13:56 I think that's just his upbringing as well.

Joe Rogan 1:13:58 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 1:13:59 You know? Product of his own environment.

Joe Rogan 1:14:01 Yes. Yes, for sure. He's just so, so unique i- in his approach. Like, y- you know, he doesn't fight like anybody else.

Terence Crawford 1:14:09 Yeah. It's all right.

Joe Rogan 1:14:12 I just get very frustrated when there's amazing fights that are on the table that don't get made, you know? Like, uh, Usyk and Tyson Fury.

Terence Crawford 1:14:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:20 I was like, "I wanna see." I know Usyk is small, right? I know he's small for the weight class, but God damn, that dude is good.

Terence Crawford 1:14:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:28 God damn, he's good. And the pace that he fights at for a heavyweight is insane.

Terence Crawford 1:14:33 Definitely. I think that goes back to, you know, the business.

Joe Rogan 1:14:36 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 1:14:37 You know? Um, the business side, you know? Usyk is, you know, a great fighter and has accomplished great things in the sport of boxing. And for him to get disrespected, you know, in the negotiations, because I'm pretty sure that's probably what it came down to, uh, is, is, is, is not right.

Joe Rogan 1:15:01 Well, he was willing to accept 70-30.

Terence Crawford 1:15:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:04 Which is crazy, but he's like, "I just... I want this fight. This is a big fight." And, and he must realize also that 30% of a Tyson-Fury fight is probably bigger than anything he's ever had before in his life.

Terence Crawford 1:15:14 But I still honestly think, you know, uh, he deserved more than that.

Joe Rogan 1:15:19 I think so too.

Terence Crawford 1:15:20 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:15:20 But I love the fact that he said yes.

Terence Crawford 1:15:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:23 And then it still didn't happen.

Terence Crawford 1:15:25 Right. So, you know, who, who, who was behind the reason why it didn't happen?

Joe Rogan 1:15:31 Yeah, I don't know.

Terence Crawford 1:15:32 That's, that's when you start asking those type of questions.

Joe Rogan 1:15:35 Who do you think was behind it?

Terence Crawford 1:15:37 I don't know. I can't say. I wasn't-

Joe Rogan 1:15:39 Right.

Terence Crawford 1:15:39 ... you know, in the negotiations, but, you know, uh, it should be some ty- type of form where, you know, these fights should be mandatory to happen so you can clean up the sport of boxing and it can only be one champion in one division, like the UFC.

Joe Rogan 1:15:57 Right.

Terence Crawford 1:15:57 You know? I think we got too many titles. I think we got too many sanction bodies. I think, you know, uh, we need to clean up the sport as a whole. I think the fights need... I mean, the fighters need, you know, pensions. We need 401Ks. We need a union. We need, uh, health, health, uh, insurance. Think we need all that, you know. Uh, we put our life on the line to go out here and entertain, you know, the people, and once, once we done entertaining, we leave home, you know, and we come home not the same fighter that we once was wh- when we left. You know? And, uh, it's heartbreaking to see a lot of these old time fighters, you know, that speaking impaired and, you know, uh, can't enjoy the fruit of their labor or just flat out broke and they gave their, their life to the sport and do- doesn't have anything to show for it, and I think that's wrong. I think, you know, we need to create something to where at least the fighters can, you know, live comfortable after the sport of boxing, given if, you know, something dramatic was to happen or, you know, you didn't put in a certain amount of years in a sport, that you can pay in on your own, um, to have you a 401K so wh- when you retire you got some type of income coming in. Because when you getting that much money so fast and so frequently, you just spend it. You just spend it because in your mind, "I'm gonna fight again and I'm gonna get it again. I'm gonna fight again, then I'm gonna get it again." But then you start living off of that, and then once you get to the end- tail end of your career, you're like, "Damn, I done spent millions and millions and I got a couple of more fights." Now you're struggling, you know, because you gotta pay taxes.

Joe Rogan 1:17:58 Mm-hmm.

Terence Crawford 1:17:58 If not, they coming to take everything you got. And then, you know, you pay taxes, now you got not even half of that. And now you looking like, "Damn, I gotta make this stretch." And then you ain't got no work ethic, skills because you've been boxing your whole life. You didn't go to college to get no, uh, curricular skills in other lanes. So, uh, yeah, I think we, we need to create something to clean up the sport of boxing.

Joe Rogan 1:18:25 Do you think it's possible to eliminate the sanctioning bodies? I mean, the only person that can kinda do it is a guy like you. 'Cause like if you're a world champion in four different organiza- you're undisputed. There's no one that could say they're the welterweight champion of the world except for Terence Crawford. If you say, "All these belts are bullshit, like, I'm the fucking champion," whether it's the Ring magazine belt or whatever you, you sanction, whatever you sanction.

Terence Crawford 1:18:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:18:52 Do you think it's possible to do something like that?

Terence Crawford 1:18:54 I think it is. I think, I think anything is possible. You know? I think, you know, Floyd, I think Canelo, they showed us time and time again that it's not about the belts. When you get to a certain point in your career, you bigger than the belts.

Joe Rogan 1:19:09 Right.

Terence Crawford 1:19:10 Uh, coming up, everybody wanna be a champion. But once you get your name out there and you become a mega star or star, the belts don't mean nothing. We paying for the belts.

Joe Rogan 1:19:22 How much do you have to pay?

Terence Crawford 1:19:23 We gotta pay like, what, 3%?

Joe Rogan 1:19:26 Three percent?

Terence Crawford 1:19:27 Mm-hmm. Two percent, three percent, like-

Joe Rogan 1:19:29 Tha- that's crazy.

Terence Crawford 1:19:30 Definitely. So it's like-

Joe Rogan 1:19:31 That's so crazy.

Terence Crawford 1:19:32 It's like I'm paying you to make me a belt.

Joe Rogan 1:19:35 And do you have to pay three percent to each individual section?

Terence Crawford 1:19:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19:38 Wow.

Terence Crawford 1:19:39 Some of 'em is different. Some of 'em is three, some of 'em two. You know, so it's like I'm paying for you to come out here and watch me fight to, to give me a belt that, you know what I mean, I'm already paying for. Like, come on now.

Joe Rogan 1:19:56 Right.

Terence Crawford 1:19:56 I'm paying you. You not paying me, I'm paying you. So-

Joe Rogan 1:20:00 Right.

Terence Crawford 1:20:00 ... the only one that really matter is the ring belt because it's free. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:20:05 (laughs)

Terence Crawford 1:20:05 It's free. Like, why do I gotta pay to be champion?

Joe Rogan 1:20:08 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:20:08 Once you start thinking about that, like, "Dang."

Joe Rogan 1:20:11 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:20:11 "I'm paying all this money."

Joe Rogan 1:20:13 And the Ring magazine belt is as respected as any of them.

Terence Crawford 1:20:16 Yeah. That's the number one guy in the division.

Joe Rogan 1:20:18 Yeah.

Terence Crawford 1:20:18 And that's how it should be. I don't think,