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JRE MMA Show #39 with Donald "Cowboy" Cerrone

Joe sits down with UFC fighter Donald "Cowboy" Cerrone.

Donald "Cowboy" CerroneguestJoe Roganhost
Aug 30, 20182h 54mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 15:00

    (glass clinking) Yes, sir. (liquid pouring)…

    1. DC

      (glass clinking) Yes, sir. (liquid pouring)

    2. JR

      Cheers.

    3. DC

      Cheers. (glasses clanking)

    4. JR

      And we're live.

    5. DC

      And we're live. There's so much to talk about.

    6. JR

      Obviously. So much to talk about.

    7. DC

      It's been years.

    8. JR

      It's been a while. It's been a while.

    9. DC

      It's been a while.

    10. JR

      And, uh, one of the reasons why you're here is because... (smacks lips) I was supposed to have Jackson Win- I mean, we should just get right into this. I was supposed to-

    11. DC

      You think we should get into it or should we-

    12. JR

      Yeah.

    13. DC

      ... let the-

    14. JR

      Let the Budweiser settle in?

    15. DC

      Let the Budweiser kick. I haven't even eaten breakfast. I specif-

    16. JR

      (laughs)

    17. DC

      ... ially didn't eat breakfast. I'm like, "I'm gonna drink beer with Joe." I already know he's getting me beer, and that way it can hit me a lot faster and I'll loosen up my lips a lot sooner.

    18. JR

      We can do whatever you want, man.

    19. DC

      (laughs)

    20. JR

      It's up to you. You're looking thick, dude. How much do you weigh now?

    21. DC

      (coughs) Man, so I've been, um... So here's a crazy story. (smacks lips) I go to, I go to, um, the PI to... 'Cause Dana tells me I can't go to 55, so I go to talk to the P-

    22. JR

      He told you you can't go? Why?

    23. DC

      Well, 'cause he says I'm, I'm getting old and... Older. Well, I should say he said old. I'm getting old. And it's wor-

    24. JR

      The weight cut's too hard?

    25. DC

      The weight cut, right? So I said, "All right. I'm gonna go to the, to the PI. You guys have this amazing facility with..."

    26. JR

      The PI stands for Performance Institute, for people who know.

    27. DC

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      For certain, there you go. UFC Performance Institute.

    29. DC

      And, uh, they have trainers and dietician, nutrition, right? So I'm, I'm going there to meet with them to get a, a guideline and some kind of plan that we can attack so I can go to Dana like, "Look, I met with your guys. They said it's okay." While I'm there, second day into all this, like, crazy testing you do, right? They have all kinds of tests that they run where you get on these bikes and... You know what I mean? Like, fuck, I was at, like, a Olympic training center testing. Um, uh, I wanted to say Joe Silva walked in, but then that's not right 'cause he's not there anymore. So, uh...

    30. JR

      Nick Maynard?

  2. 15:00 – 30:00

    And they're coaching the…

    1. DC

      there, so not only can somebody just ring the doorbell and show up and train, pay the money, it's, well, you can pay the $25 to drop in or you pay the 150 a month, come to any class you want. But if you're a coach, you can just coach the class. S- it's, that, that, it's that asinine to you. I see a new striking coach, a new wrestling coach, or a new jujitsu guy in there twice a week probably.

    2. JR

      And they're coaching the class.

    3. DC

      The, our wrest- main wrestling coach of Jackson-Wink, the greatest school in the fucking world, is a reception to a chiropractic upstairs. He's greatest credentials was he was a junior assistant coach at a college, don't know the college name, who got fired for selling the kids steroids. That's our wrestling coach at one of the greatest schools in the world.

    4. JR

      Is he a good coach?

    5. DC

      No, he's terrible. He's fucking godawful terrible. He watches videos on YouTube and tries to teach people things that don't even fucking work. It's, it's, it's asinine. Which is another reason why I had to hire my own coach and bring him in. (laughs) You know? It's like, it's like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait, what?" And now they don't even drill. They just go live and they wanna know why people get hurt every day. It's like, you can't just go in there and say, "Okay, and we're wrestling. Go."

    6. JR

      So do you think that people just get burnt out on doing things the right way and they just, they just figure, "Look, I'm just gonna do this the way that makes the most money"?

    7. DC

      Well, I think... Man, I wish I had, I had the answer for that. I do, because I'm not in that position to, I'm not running a gym and that's, I've never done that because I don't wanna, me showing up to class every single day would wear me the fuck out.

    8. JR

      Yeah. It wears everybody out.

    9. DC

      It's got to.

    10. JR

      Yeah.

    11. DC

      But you should have an infrastructure set in place that takes you, especially if you're the greatest at one time, right? If your winning percentages are in the 80s and 90s and now they're in the 20s. Like I, I don't, I have no clue what our, what our rating record of the gym is, but it's, it's not (laughs) , it's nothing like it used to be, right?

    12. JR

      Yeah.

    13. DC

      And it's fucking, it's asinine to me, man.

    14. JR

      So the way you were doing is, uh, you have the BMF Ranch.

    15. DC

      Correct.

    16. JR

      You have everything set up. You bring in all your sparring partners and you would be doing all your training out there. And how would Greg interact with that?

    17. DC

      He would, he would, he, we'd either show up down at Jackson's and spar, 'cause they still have got, there's still bodies down there, right?

    18. JR

      Right.

    19. DC

      There's still guys. We'd show up down at his bar, we'd bring all the guys down. Or Greg would come up, you know, three or four times a week to the ranch. And we'd just-

    20. JR

      And how far is your ranch from-

    21. DC

      50 miles about.

    22. JR

      Okay.

    23. DC

      Yeah, a good hour, solid hour drive (laughs) into the vast no man's of New Mexico.

    24. JR

      New Mexico. Yeah.

    25. DC

      (laughs) Do you like living out there? I do. I love it. I fucking love it. So I sold my house. I moved here. I fucking planted roots. Now, I could never, ever sell my place. I'm stuck in New Mexico. I'm moving back to Colorado, I'm gonna buy-

    26. JR

      Why could you never sell it?

    27. DC

      Because I, I'd have to sell it to like a crazy cult leader. So if anybody out there listening wants to operate a cult, I have the-

    28. JR

      (laughs) Are you talking to one right now?

    29. DC

      I have the, I have the perfect house.

    30. JR

      Talk to me about what kind of acreage are you talking about?

  3. 30:00 – 45:00

    You breakdance? …

    1. JR

      I saw a video of him breakdancing the other night.

    2. DC

      You breakdance?

    3. JR

      (laughs)

    4. DC

      I do. I used to. I used to really breakdance.

    5. JR

      (laughs)

    6. DC

      So, I'm at the Monster conference ...

    7. JR

      Did we lose the glass tip?

    8. DC

      I'm at the Monster conference and, um ... Monster now has a breakdancing team.

    9. JR

      The what? (laughs)

    10. DC

      Yes.

    11. JR

      Monster got me some badass bags, man.

    12. DC

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      Shout out to Hans.

    14. DC

      Yeah, Hans, yeah, Hans's a good dude, man.

    15. JR

      (coughs) He's a great dude.

    16. DC

      Yeah, he uh, he takes care of ... He takes care of a lot of people. Uh, uh again, the infrastructure of Monster-... great, right?

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. DC

      Great infrastructure for Monster.

    19. JR

      Right. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

    20. DC

      So the ambassador, Hans, takes care of it, takes care of his people.

    21. JR

      Loyalty, family, super friendly.

    22. DC

      Exactly, right?

    23. JR

      Great guy.

    24. DC

      So, uh, I seen the Monster- I was gonna say, I seen the Monster bags laying back there fucking (swooshing noise)

    25. JR

      I just got them.

    26. DC

      Um...

    27. JR

      Agustin Bolanos, it was his idea.

    28. DC

      So-

    29. JR

      Have a little bit more of that or you're gonna get crazy.

    30. DC

      Okay. Gonna start talking about space soon. (glass clinking) Doing drugs with Joe.

  4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

    Yeah. Right. …

    1. DC

      and kinda gone, but I could open my eyes. I could see the little candles burning over there, I could hear lighters going. And then you're like, "Oh, I'm, I'm okay. I'm not in another dimension. I'm not gonna get stuck in this crazy other world."

    2. JR

      Yeah. Right.

    3. DC

      And then I'd close my eyes and then I'd go back into it.

    4. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    5. DC

      And, yeah, you're, y- I mean, it's like the most, the realest dream you've ever seen, right?

    6. JR

      Yeah. There's another one called 5-MeO-DMT, 5-methoxy-DMT and it's, uh, it's different.

    7. DC

      Is that the one we're doing tonight?

    8. JR

      That's a different one.

    9. DC

      (laughs)

    10. JR

      W- the, the, that, that one makes people really scared.

    11. DC

      Oh.

    12. JR

      That's a different one because you, you cease to exist on that one.

    13. DC

      Right.

    14. JR

      It's more powerful, actually.

    15. DC

      Jesus.

    16. JR

      More, more potent. Yeah, which i- is crazy to think. That it's something more potent than DMT, but it's more psychoactive in some ways and it's, uh, it's one of those weird ones that doesn't have visuals either. But you just go to, you go to everything. You go to heaven.

    17. DC

      Dude.

    18. JR

      You, you become a part of it all.

    19. DC

      It was just how, it's crazy how clear and sense you could make of the unsenses, right? Like, I try to explain now and it, it sounds weird, but when I was in it, it's like everything's so clear.

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. DC

      Right?

    22. JR

      But you realize how much of what's holding you back in this life is like insecurity and fear and, and, and it, it just, just not knowing, you know, and, and confusion and all this... And then it just sort of like pours water on the stuff that's dirty-

    23. DC

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      ... and cleans all the bullshit out and goes, "No, it's all love."

    25. DC

      Right.

    26. JR

      "It's all happiness, friends, experiences, life, comradery. Those are the important things." That's the, you have a part- you have a chance in this life to spread more of that and ke- help other people spread more of that and keep this ball rolling. And that could really change the world. It changes the world because the people you impact ripple out and they, they-

    27. DC

      Sure.

    28. JR

      ... impact other people. Or you could just get caught up in arguing with people online. You know, you can get caught up (laughs) -

    29. DC

      (laughs)

    30. JR

      ... you can get caught up in the water over the dirt and just the chaos of it all.

  5. 1:00:00 – 1:07:39

    (laughs) …

    1. DC

      And they're like, "What? You microdose?" And I was like, "Well, no, but I'm... Tell me about it."

    2. JR

      (laughs)

    3. DC

      "Ain't that right?" Every one of them at the table are like, "Dude, we don't compete without it. We, we just don't do it. It's just something-

    4. JR

      Wow.

    5. DC

      ... that we..." Every, every one of my X Games models that have ever won, microdosing mushrooms. He's like, "It's just something... It's like a, a secret thing that we all do, but we don't talk about." Because if you tell s-... If I walk in and- well, then probably not your family, but somebody else's family and I'm like, "Oh, just took my mushrooms today," they'd be like, "You can't hang out with him anymore."

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. DC

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      You're a bad influence.

    9. DC

      "You're a bad influence. He, he's, he's a bad guy."

    10. JR

      Yeah. "You're a bad guy out there doing drugs."

    11. DC

      But why would... I could tell you, "Joe, I could give you this pill that I grew, that I ground up and I made, or you can go get a prescription from the pharmacy and take Adderall and try and do the same, try and replicate the same thing. But this is so much healthier. You're not gonna have any side effects, no addiction."... where that, who knows what they're putting in your body.

    12. JR

      Yeah.

    13. DC

      And to me, that's so much cleaner, so much more amazing, I feel. Right? So I started this micro-dosing mushrooms, and man do you feel like you're fucking tuned in. It's insane. So then-

    14. JR

      It's like the world's a different frequency.

    15. DC

      Totally.

    16. JR

      Do you know how ... You ever used binoculars and, uh, you're looking through them and shit's all blurry, and then you just adjust that little knob a little-

    17. DC

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      ... and boom-

    19. DC

      Boom.

    20. JR

      ... it comes into focus?

    21. DC

      Comes into focus.

    22. JR

      That's really what it's like. It's like, the reg- rest of w- You could look through binoculars and they're a little off and it's okay.

    23. DC

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      You can see what you're looking at. But then you adjust that little bitch a little bit, like, "Oh-"

    25. DC

      (laughs) Cool.

    26. JR

      "... there it is."

    27. DC

      There it is.

    28. JR

      "I see what's up."

    29. DC

      And it, it feels like the back of your brain is turned on and working.

    30. JR

      Yeah.

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