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JRE MMA Show #86 with Josh Thomson

Joe sits down with former Strikeforce Lightweight Champion and current Bellator commentator Josh Thomson.

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Jan 24, 20202h 52mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. Stephen A. Smith training clip & the danger of uninformed MMA commentary

    Joe and Josh open by reacting to Stephen A. Smith’s viral training video and connect it to his controversial on-air MMA takes. They argue that MMA requires technical understanding and a different tone than “hot take” sports TV because the stakes are physical, emotional, and sometimes life-altering.

  2. Respecting fighters: Cerrone vs. McGregor and what the 40-second finish actually showed

    They reframe the McGregor–Cerrone result as evidence of Conor’s sharpness rather than Cowboy’s weakness. Josh emphasizes giving credit across promotions and highlights overlooked technical and strategic layers in elite fighters’ performances.

  3. Shtick vs. reality: sports personalities, fight promotion, and post-fight respect

    Josh and Joe discuss the idea of on-camera personas—comparing sports punditry and fight trash talk to comedic characters. They distinguish promotional antics from disrespect after the fight, where fans expect closure and sportsmanship.

  4. Is Conor a real welterweight? AKA stories and how good Khabib’s wrestling really is

    The conversation pivots to weight classes and wrestling reality checks. Josh shares firsthand AKA observations about Khabib’s wrestling (including rounds with elite wrestlers) and explains why size matters at 170 despite skill advantages.

  5. Aaron Pico: hype, matchmaking, weight class, and the hard transition to MMA

    They break down Aaron Pico’s early career trajectory as a case study in expectations vs. development. Josh argues that early matchmaking, weight decisions, and the difference between practice and live fights shaped Pico’s rocky start—and why the right coaching and planning matter.

  6. MMA career management: ‘shelving’ threats, promoter power, and why boxing is different

    Josh shares a personal story about being told he’d be shelved if he رفضed a replacement opponent, illustrating the leverage promotions can hold. Joe contrasts this with boxing’s grooming model, where managers and promoters more deliberately build fighters’ records and skills.

  7. How deep the talent pool is: Bellator/ONE elites, Mighty Mouse trade, and cross-promotion dreams

    They argue that world-class fighters exist across organizations, not just the UFC, and discuss the benefits of competition between promotions. The Mighty Mouse move to ONE becomes a lens for how pay, opportunity, and visibility shape careers.

  8. Strikeforce legacy, branding power, and why ‘UFC’ becomes the sport in fans’ minds

    They explore how promotion branding can overshadow the sport itself, making fans dismiss non-UFC champions. Josh discusses media dynamics, narratives shaped by leadership, and how Strikeforce fighters later proved their level after integrating into the UFC ecosystem.

  9. Life after fighting: building income streams, gym-business reality, identity, and retirement mindset

    Josh explains the practical and psychological challenges of retiring from fighting, from income replacement to identity loss. He shares his approach to entrepreneurship and commentary work, stressing that a new life demands the same intensity—and often requires letting the old one go.

  10. Broadcasting craft: why former fighters make better analysts & what makes great play-by-play

    They dig into what good commentary requires—preparation, listening, and making it about the fighters. Josh details Bellator’s audition process and praises broadcasting professionals like Mauro Ranallo and Jon Anik for their unique strengths.

  11. Japan fight culture & business: Pride-era opponent switches, quiet crowds, and Bob Sapp stories

    They reminisce about fighting and calling events in Japan, where crowds are quiet and promotions can be unpredictable. Josh recounts last-minute opponent changes (including Aoki/Kawajiri) and shares wild anecdotes about Bob Sapp’s career choices and behind-the-scenes realities.

  12. Rules and evolution: calf kicks, knees to grounded opponents, elbows, and rethinking the cage

    They close by debating how rules shape strategy and entertainment—especially grounded knees and elbow restrictions. The discussion expands into how innovations like calf kicks spread, why some rules feel inconsistent, and whether different fight spaces (no cage/pit concepts) would improve action.

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