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"This Is Why You FEEL LOST & UNHAPPY In Life" - Fix This TODAY! | Andrew Huberman

💰 Get my NEW book, Make Money Easy! https://lewishowes.com/moneyyou 🔔 Subscribe for more great content: https://www.youtube.com/lewishowes https://lewishowes.com/gmyo - Get my NEW book The Greatness Mindset today! https://lewishowes.com/greatnessdelivered - Sign up for my FREE newsletter & get a dose of inspiration from our world-class guests, learn how to improve your life! Download podcast episodes a week early! http://www.lewishowes.com/pod Andrew Huberman is a neuroscientist at Stanford University who runs the Huberman Lab, which studies how the brain functions, how it changes through experiences, and how to repair the brain after injury or disease. In his career, Andrew has made numerous important contributions to the fields of brain development, brain plasticity, and neural regeneration, and repair. He’s received numerous awards and recognitions for his research and publications, including the McKnight Foundation Neuroscience Scholar Award, the Biomedical Scholar Award from the Pew Charitable Trusts, and the Cogan Award for Research in Vision and Ophthalmology. In addition to being a tenured professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford University, Dr. Andrew is a brilliant neuroscientist and teacher — he excellently explains complicated concepts in a way that everyday people can understand them and use neuroscience to improve their lives! Andrew’s goal is to understand how the brain allows us to sense, evaluate, and respond to the world around us. He’s actively working on methods to re-wire and repair eye-to-brain connections for people who suffer from blinding diseases, as well as investigating emotions and how they drive behavior. We had a fantastic conversation with a wide range of topics! In fact, I had such a great time talking with Andrew I had to split this interview into two parts! Make sure to tune in this Wednesday to hear the second half of the interview! In this first part, we talk about how to handle depression, the positive effects of stress, the science of hope, and so much more! Join me on Episode 1,015 to learn how to hack your brain for maximum potential with the incredible Andrew Huberman! You can follow me at: Website: http://lewishowes.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lewishowes/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/LewisHowes Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lewishowes/ Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lewis Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lewishowes/

Dr. Andrew Hubermanguest
Oct 7, 20201h 59mWatch on YouTube ↗

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CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 12:19

    How the Body and Mind Are Connected

    Lewis Howes asks how much the body controls the mind and vice versa. Andrew Huberman explains that the nervous system includes the brain, eyes, spinal cord and all connections to the body, and describes a brain-body contract that gives rise to states of mind.

    • •The eyes are part of the brain and the central nervous system is one contiguous unit with the spinal cord
    • •Every organ is innervated, so the nervous system spans brain and body
    • •States of mind include both brain and body activity
    • •The brain does five things: sensation, perception, thoughts, emotions and actions
    • •Huberman's lab studies measurable states such as focus, sleep, creativity and stress
  2. 12:19 – 19:41

    Depression, Baselines and Taking Responsibility

    Lewis asks whether people can avoid depression and negative emotions altogether. Huberman describes two forms of depression, how a lowered baseline makes recovery harder, and why people must take responsibility for their own mental health, using the obesity feedback loop as a parallel.

    • •Anxiety-associated depression and fatigue-type depression both recruit the body
    • •Deeply depressed people may be unable to do the helpful activities like morning light and movement
    • •After about 25, only the person themselves can direct their brain changes
    • •Routines that keep depression at bay are best built early
    • •Genetic predispositions exist, but behaviors are the concrete tools
  3. 19:41 – 22:00

    Why You Can't Think Your Way Out of an Emotional State

    Huberman explains that telling yourself or someone else to calm down fails because emotional states recruit the whole nervous system. Stress changes pupil size, visual focus and time perception, so the body must be used to intervene.

    • •Telling yourself to calm down doesn't work
    • •Lewis gives the example of trying to calm his girlfriend mid-emotion
    • •Stress dilates the pupils and narrows vision like portrait mode
    • •Perception of time speeds up when stressed and slows when fatigued
    • •Behaviors and the body are the route for shifting a state
  4. 22:00 – 27:33

    Breathing Tools: The Physiological Sigh

    Huberman explains why breathing is the fastest voluntary lever on brain state and walks through the neuroscience of the diaphragm, brainstem breathing centers and the physiological sigh. Two inhales through the nose followed by a long exhale offload carbon dioxide and calm the body.

    • •The diaphragm is striated muscle, so breathing sits on the boundary of conscious and unconscious control
    • •Faster breathing raises alertness, slower breathing calms
    • •Physiological sighs re-inflate collapsed lung sacs and offload carbon dioxide
    • •The phrenic nerve is a faster route than the slow vagus pathway
    • •Huberman says it is the fastest way he knows to calm down
  5. 27:33 – 37:33

    Stress, Adrenaline, Cortisol and the Immune System

    Huberman describes how adrenaline and cortisol work and argues that stress is misunderstood because it also activates immunity. He discusses the Wim Hof breathing study, cold exposure and why people often get sick when they finally rest.

    • •Adrenaline acts within a second while cortisol is slower; cortisol spikes in the morning are healthy but a 9 PM spike is a depression signature
    • •Stress activates the immune system, which explains getting sick after periods of non-stop work
    • •The Wim Hof study primed the immune system rather than suppressing it, according to Huberman
    • •Cold showers and ice baths are other ways to induce stress
    • •Tummo breathing raises alertness while physiological sighs calm, and the sigh can be done in real time
  6. 37:33 – 43:12

    Stress Inoculation and the Power of Narrative

    Huberman explains stress inoculation as staying calm in the mind while the body is amplified. Lewis asks if the mind can override physical sensation, and Huberman discusses how deliberate thoughts can be introduced and why suppressing negative thoughts is not the answer.

    • •Stress inoculation raises the ceiling on stress tolerance
    • •Mind does not have 100% control over bodily feeling but has significant influence
    • •The old advice to just smile when depressed doesn't work, though brain and body interact like interlocking gears
    • •Thoughts arise spontaneously but positive ones can be deliberately introduced
    • •Huberman calls the idea that your body hears every thought a dangerous one in wellness
  7. 43:12 – 52:48

    Dopamine, Effort and Growth Mindset

    Huberman explains that dopamine is mostly released in pursuit of goals and acts as a buffer against effort-driven epinephrine. He ties this to Carol Dweck's growth mindset and distinguishes dopamine, epinephrine, serotonin and cortisol.

    • •Most dopamine is released en route to goals, not on achieving them
    • •Growth mindset attaches reward to the effort process itself
    • •Repeated effort builds up epinephrine until people quit, and dopamine pushes back on it
    • •Cocaine and methamphetamine make the drug both path and destination
    • •Dopamine is motivation and pursuit, serotonin is a reset from feeling there is enough
  8. 52:48 – 1:06:08

    Rewarding the Hard Part and Staying Forward

    Huberman argues that not every step toward a goal is equivalent and that subjective reward should be attached to the hardest portions of a process. He uses the make-your-bed story, fitness examples and his own phone-in-a-safe writing routine.

    • •Reward the harder steps, not the easy ones, and be careful about focusing on the end goal
    • •Positive self-talk that lies to yourself isn't effective
    • •The bed-making story is about the things you're not doing, like ruminating, and keeping your center of mass forward
    • •Huberman locks his phone in a safe and tells himself the agitation is good while writing
    • •Deliberate work is supposed to feel hard, and he says he believes in free will
  9. 1:06:08 – 1:16:47

    Neuroplasticity, Learning and Play

    Huberman explains that mental strain triggers neuroplasticity while the actual brain changes occur during sleep and rest. Lewis shares his experience learning Spanish and basketball footwork, and they discuss play, teamwork and Richard Feynman as ways to buffer stress.

    • •The aim of neuroplasticity is to turn deliberate actions into reflexive ones
    • •Focus and agitation (acetylcholine and epinephrine) mark circuits for change; deep rest and sleep make the changes
    • •Lewis describes skills that show up the day after frustrating practice
    • •Play keeps dopamine flowing, as shown by Richard Feynman's lifelong learning
    • •Lewis's group ice-tub experience with Wim Hof shows teamwork making cold less painful
    • •After about 25, plasticity must be self-directed
  10. 1:16:47 – 1:22:42

    Serotonin, Rest and Yoga Nidra

    Huberman explains serotonin as the feeling of having enough, which resets dopamine and allows renewed pursuit. He describes the need to alternate effort and rest, and his daily use of yoga nidra for deep relaxation.

    • •Serotonin is released when we feel we have enough resources, like a meal with loved ones
    • •Achievers who reach the finish line without people to share it with can end up isolated and depressed
    • •Balance of dopamine and serotonin matters across day or week, like off-seasons in sports
    • •Yoga nidra is a guided body-scan relaxation that he does once or twice a day
    • •Studies cited show it resets dopamine in the basal ganglia
  11. 1:22:42 – 1:31:52

    Behaviors First, Then Supplements and Drugs, Plus Gratitude

    Huberman lays out a hierarchy starting with behaviors, then nutrition, supplements and finally prescription drugs, with brain-machine interfaces emerging. He then describes gratitude as a serotonin reset that returns you to pursuit, and his own morning gratitude practice.

    • •Behaviors come first; drugs like Prozac have saved lives but don't change your behaviors
    • •Better living through chemistry still requires better living
    • •Gratitude raises serotonin and resets dopamine rather than causing complacency
    • •Special operations high performers use gratitude practices
    • •Dopamine reward prediction error can leave people unable to feel good about achievements
  12. 1:31:52 – 1:44:38

    Accelerated Learning, Nootropics and the Will to Live

    Lewis asks whether challenging the mind in later life helps longevity. Huberman describes dopamine and acetylcholine as triggers of adult plasticity, implantable-electrode research on accelerated learning, nootropics and sleep hacking, then links dopamine and reproductive hormones to the will to live.

    • •Merzenich's work showed stimulating dopamine and acetylcholine areas can rapidly induce plasticity
    • •Programs using implanted electrodes to speed language learning exist but results aren't public
    • •Huberman is skeptical of the terms smart drugs and nootropics; typical people should rely on behaviors
    • •Dopamine is tied to testosterone and estrogen and to the will to live
    • •Without a goal we are idling, and strong pursuit goals can reduce the extracellular matrix that hinders plasticity
  13. 1:44:38 – 1:53:04

    Fear, Fun and Learning Spanish

    Lewis asks how Huberman has fun and about his fears. Huberman shares his joys, his fears of dying before getting his information out and of quality dropping, and the two discuss Spanish learning, intention and treating the process as the prize.

    • •Huberman finds joy in being a brain explorer, music, food, training, friends and his dog
    • •His fears are dying before sharing his ideas and spreading himself too thin
    • •Lewis describes learning Spanish with a one-on-one teacher and motivated by his Spanish girlfriend
    • •A bigger mission offsets discomfort and works as an internal reward
    • •Confusion is a trigger that flags material for later consolidation during sleep
  14. 1:53:04 – 1:59:44

    Three Truths, Where to Follow, and Defining Greatness

    Lewis asks Huberman for his three truths. Huberman answers know thyself, the wish-anxiety-defense sequence, and have fun, then shares where to follow his work and gives his definition of greatness.

    • •Truth one is know thyself, and the other two are the wish-anxiety-defense model and have fun
    • •Fun is part of the renewal process and enables greater pursuit
    • •Huberman recalls Laird Hamilton's line about having fun in fear of death
    • •He teaches neuroscience on Instagram at hubermanlab
    • •His definition of greatness is making the effort to use neuroplasticity to be better and show up better for others

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