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Masters of ScaleAngela Duckworth on her new book, the limits of grit, and her advice to founders | Masters of Scale
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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Angela Duckworth on career pivots, grit's limits, and situations
- Duckworth describes pivoting from pre-med to education after finding that kids are bright and underserved, a choice that left her father not speaking to her for six months.
- Her path through a nonprofit summer school, Oxford, McKinsey, and teaching seventh-grade math in New York led her to start a psychology PhD at 32 to study motivation and learning.
- She explains how grit research on high achievers and an accidental TED Talk made her a public intellectual, and how she balances simplification with nuance in writing for general audiences.
- Drawing on a project with Danny Kahneman, she warns that one-liners like 'grit predicts achievement' can be overweighted, and says her next book argues that grit is not enough and the situation must be an ally.
- She tells the story of how work and family stress nearly broke her marriage, and she advises founders to join a formal community of peers and proactively cultivate mentors.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasEnvironment matters more than we credit
After seeing a teacher tell an eager boy a program was only for the smart kids, Duckworth concluded that we vastly overestimate natural talent and underestimate the power of our environments.
Quality of effort matters, not just quantity
As a teacher, she tripled math time and exhorted students to try harder, and later realized she had ignored the quality of time on task and the science of motivation.
Passion and perseverance, shown as stamina, mark high achievers
Talking to top performers across fields, she found a common denominator of passion and perseverance, where the striking feature was stamina and consistency over time rather than intensity.
Achievement at the top comes from rare combinations of skills
Duckworth says achievement is skewed rather than bell-shaped and that she stands out by combining her love of words with psychology, rather than by being the best at either.
One-liners help communication but risk distortion
She and Danny Kahneman worried that people who absorb only one simplified idea overestimate its importance, so they recommend accumulating many one-liners to avoid swinging between fads.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesI think we vastly overestimate talent that's natural and vastly underestimate the power of our environments.
— Angela Duckworth
We are so smart about the things that we're interested in, and we are so dumb about the things that are not interesting to us.
— Angela Duckworth
Grit is not enough. You must have your situation as your ally.
— Angela Duckworth
You wanna be in a flotilla, not, like, off sailing on your own.
— Angela Duckworth
They're not just falling out of heaven. You have to proactively make them. It's a relationship, and you need to start at the beginning and cultivate.
— Angela Duckworth
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SPEAKERS
Jeff Berman
hostHost/interviewer for Masters of Scale.
Angela Duckworth
guestResearch psychologist and author known for her work on grit.
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