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The #1 Sign That Someone Will Become A Billionaire By 40 (#364)

Episode 364: Shaan Puri and Sam Parr talk about lessons from lunch with billionaire, Dharmesh Shah, the power of fierce nerds, and the latest D2C business idea from Shaan...

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Sep 20, 20221h 7mWatch on YouTube

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Fierce nerds, Dharmesh’s LPM obsession, and three business ideas

  1. Sam recounts intervening in a park incident where multiple bystanders banded together to protect four nannies from an aggressive man, leaving him energized and reflective about solidarity.
  2. Shaan shares and interprets a Paul Graham essay about “fierce nerds,” linking competitive impatience to outsized success while warning that unchanneled fierceness can become bitterness.
  3. Sam and Shaan trade Dharmesh (HubSpot founder) stories that portray him as kind yet extremely obsessive and systematic, including a keynote process optimized by measuring “laughs per minute.”
  4. Shaan and Sam workshop business ideas, including a D2C IQ-test subscription funnel and an “Apple for the bathroom” product company focused on premium design and usability.
  5. Shaan explains the “deal doula” concept for M&A/fundraising, and both hosts discuss practical lessons like valuing certainty-to-close and disclosing problems early to build trust.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

“Fierce nerds” win through competitiveness and impatience, not just brains.

Shaan reads and summarizes Paul Graham’s “Fierce Nerds” concept, emphasizing competitiveness and impatience (more than raw intelligence) as what separates certain nerds who become founders/investors from those who become professors or bitter critics.

Dharmesh comes across as both warm and extremely driven—an “unstoppable” kind of quirky.

Sam describes Dharmesh as kind and easy to talk to, yet intensely opportunity-spotting and relentlessly optimizing—illustrated by stories about gambling success, obsession with ping pong mastery, and an engineered approach to keynote preparation.

Many people communicate best in one “native” medium, and it’s worth finding yours.

Shaan suggests some people are more themselves in text/online than in person, and he shares examples of colleagues who were quiet in real life but lively in Slack; he frames it as normal and worth identifying for yourself.

Test-and-score products can be powerful businesses when paired with strong marketing funnels.

Shaan proposes a direct-to-consumer IQ-test/“genius puzzle” funnel that sells results or subscriptions, anchored on ads that trigger curiosity/ego (“Only geniuses can solve this puzzle”). Sam responds that these test-like products can scale very large, referencing Gallup’s CliftonStrengths/StrengthsFinder as a big business model.

Bathrooms are high-usage, under-designed spaces that could support premium, user-friendly products.

Shaan pitches an “Apple for the bathroom” brand that obsesses over design and ease-of-install to upgrade shower/toilet/sink/mirror experiences and related accessories; Sam adds that bidet add-ons feel janky and mentions renovation companies tackling bathrooms at a higher level.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

And he goes, "Seven of the eight richest people in the world right now on Air or in America right now are fierce nerds."

— Shaan Puri

And I created a Zoom call, and I got 10 HubSpot employees to do it, and I recorded the whole thing. Then I got 20 to come, and then 50 to come, and then 100 to come. And what I did was I adapted each time, and I built this Python ... I built this Python script that analyzed the audio of the call to figure out what my laugh per minute was.

— Sam Parr

It's better to just figure out what's your, where are you the most you? Is it through text messaging? Is it on phone calls? Is it through written emails? Is it in person? Is it, like, longform in person? What is the version of you that's the most you?

— Shaan Puri

I think somebody could make an Apple for the bathroom.

— Shaan Puri

If you're going through either a fundraising or an M&A process, make sure you have your Deal Doulas to keep you sane and keep you smart about how you're gonna go through the process.

— Shaan Puri

Read the available transcript
Brooklyn park confrontation storyPaul Graham’s “Fierce Nerds” traitsDharmesh (HubSpot founder) anecdotesOptimizing public speaking via “laughs per minute”Domain-name riffing and improv banterD2C IQ test / personality-test funnel concept“Apple for the bathroom” product brand concept (bidets, showers, sensors)

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SPEAKERS

  • Shaan Puri

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    Co-host of My First Million; entrepreneur and investor known for startup and business analysis.

  • Sam Parr

    host

    Co-host of My First Million; founder of The Hustle (acquired by HubSpot) and entrepreneur focused on media and business.

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