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Peter Attia MD#144 - Phil Maffetone: Optimizing health and performance through maximal aerobic function
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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Phil Maffetone explains maximum aerobic function, fat burning, and separating fitness from health
- Maffetone traces his path from runner and clinician treating injured, unhealthy athletes in the 1970s to coaching elite endurance athletes, including a six-day race runner, while putting health ahead of performance.
- He defines aerobic as fat-burning and anaerobic as glucose-burning, and sets a MAF heart rate with the 180 Formula (180 minus age, adjusted for health factors) to train the aerobic system.
- The MAF test, which checks whether you can go faster at the same low heart rate over time, serves as a functional gauge of progress, and Maffetone argues sub-max performance predicts maximum performance and that VO2 max is overvalued.
- Both men discuss nutrition: Attia shares his large gains in fat oxidation on a ketogenic diet, and Maffetone describes carbohydrate intolerance, his two-week test, and a short study showing low-carb eating did not impair high-intensity performance.
- The conversation closes on the sub-two-hour marathon, burnout among elite runners, and how being overfat undermines health and age-group performance, with Maffetone's simple advice to avoid junk food and take it easy.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasBeing fit is not the same as being healthy.
Maffetone saw marathoners who were fit but broken down and often sick, which led him to treat fitness and health as separate things that need balancing.
Aerobic function can be tracked by pace at a fixed low heart rate.
If you can run or walk faster at the same MAF heart rate month after month, your aerobic system is improving, and Maffetone says that is the only thing he needs to convince people of.
The 180 Formula must be applied honestly and individualized.
Start at 180 minus age, subtract 10 for illness, overtraining, rehab, or any medication, subtract 5 for frequent colds, allergies, or being overfat, or add 5 for a healthy, progressing competitive athlete.
Sub-max performance predicts maximum performance.
Maffetone says that going faster at a sub-max pace lets you go faster at a max pace, and that even a mile race involves a lot of fat burning, so aerobic base matters for short races too.
Less training at lower intensity can produce better race results.
Maffetone found that cutting athletes' schedules and intensity let them perform better, and that traditional twice-weekly intervals did not produce the same gains in speed at a given heart rate.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesIt produces, for sure, boasting rights.
— Phil Maffetone
This VO2 max is a, it's something we, we have been worshiping and we're worshiping the wrong thing.
— Phil Maffetone
I don't care what you do with your training or your diet, if you could run faster at the same heart rate as the months go by, whatever you're doing is working. Keep doing it.
— Phil Maffetone
these athletes are fit but unhealthy, and that whole concept of fit but unhealthy, and fitness and, and health are two separate definitions, and they need to be balanced
— Phil Maffetone
Just don't eat junk food, and take it easy out there.
— Phil Maffetone
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