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#159-Peter Hotez MD, PhD.: The anti-vaccine movement, causes of autism, & COVID-19 vaccine update

Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://bit.ly/4c602k2 Peter Hotez is an internationally recognized physician-scientist in neglected tropical diseases and vaccine development. In this episode, they first follow up on the podcast episode (#158) with Brian Deer (the investigative journalist who exposed the complex and disturbing story behind the infamous 1998 Lancet paper by Andrew Wakefield linking the MMR vaccine and autism) with a broader discussion about the origin and evolution of the anti-vaccine movement. They explore some of the specific claims being made around vaccine additives, the timing of when vaccines are given, and claims about issues with the HPV vaccine specifically. Next, Dr. Hotez shares his own journey as a parent of an autistic child and speaks of the challenges of diagnosing autism, what could account for the seeming increase in the prevalence, and whether there is any support for the notion that environmental triggers play a role. They close out with a discussion on the state of affairs with respect to COVID-19 vaccination, comparing the various vaccines as well as the challenges that emerging variants of the virus may present. This episode was originally recorded on April 2, 2021. We discuss: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:00:10 - The stubborn persistence of anti-vaccine sentiment; 00:10:30 - A closer look at claims about thimerosal and vaccine spacing causing autism; 00:24:00 - The Hib vaccine: An example of the profound difference a vaccine can make; 00:31:55 - The controversy surrounding the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine; 00:41:55 - The growing anti-science sentiment, COVID vaccine hesitance, and the basis of the anti-vaxx movement; 01:09:10 - The origins of autism, and Hotez’s personal story as a parent of an autistic child; 01:22:38 - The challenge of diagnosing autism, increasing prevalence, and a potential parallel to Alzheimer’s disease; 01:41:30 - Comparing the various COVID-19 vaccines and the impact of emerging variants of the virus; 01:53:45 - Global vaccination challenges and “vaccine diplomacy”; Show notes page: https://peterattiamd.com/PeterHotez3/ -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a weekly, ultra-deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing health, longevity, critical thinking…and a few other things. With over 25 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including fasting, ketosis, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter is a physician focusing on the applied science of longevity. His practice deals extensively with nutritional interventions, exercise physiology, sleep physiology, emotional and mental health, and pharmacology to increase lifespan (delay the onset of chronic disease), while simultaneously improving healthspan (quality of life). Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com Subscribe to receive exclusive subscriber-only content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify​​​​​ Google Play: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGooglePlay

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Apr 26, 20212h 8mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Hotez Explains Anti-Vaccine Politics, Autism's Genetic Roots, and COVID Vaccine Variants

  1. Hotez argues the anti-vaccine movement keeps shifting its claims after each is refuted, moving from MMR to thimerosal, vaccine spacing, aluminum and HPV, and has since reinvented itself as a political movement built around health and medical freedom.
  2. He says autism arises from genes active in early fetal brain development, drawing on research groups and his own daughter Rachel's exome sequencing, and he doubts that the true incidence has risen, attributing the increase mainly to broader diagnosis and awareness.
  3. He describes the HPV vaccine, the Hib vaccine and the infant schedule as carefully vetted interventions with major benefits, and notes that measles outbreaks follow when anti-vaccine groups target communities.
  4. On COVID-19, Hotez says all the authorized vaccines are good, that boosters may be needed to address the South African and Brazilian variants, and that the B.1.1.7 variant's spike mutation boosts binding to the ACE2 receptor.
  5. He warns that low- and middle-income countries lack vaccine supply and manufacturing capacity, and advocates for 'vaccine diplomacy' and his own low-cost recombinant protein vaccine.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

The anti-vaccine movement adapts rather than concedes

Hotez says each time the scientific community refutes one claim, the movement moves on to another, from MMR to thimerosal, spacing, aluminum and HPV, to keep momentum. The autism claim has never fully gone away.

The movement became politicized around 2014-2015

After the Disneyland-linked measles outbreak and California's tightening of exemptions, Hotez says anti-vaccine groups recast themselves as a health freedom movement, aligned with the Texas Tea Party, and later extended it to opposing masks and public health measures.

Vaccine skepticism is fueled by their preventive nature and mandates

Hotez says vaccines are given to healthy people and are often required for school entry, two features easy for anti-vaccine groups to exploit. He adds that the internet, social media and Amazon amplify the misinformation.

Autism appears to be driven mainly by genes acting prenatally

Hotez cites work identifying about 100 genes tied to early fetal brain development and brain growth changes visible before vaccines are given, and says genetics is the dominant, deterministic factor with possible epigenetic influences.

The rise in autism is probably mostly a diagnostic phenomenon

Hotez believes broadened criteria, awareness, past mislabeling and underdiagnosis in girls explain the rising numbers, though he concedes it is hard to prove and Attia assumed a true modest increase.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

They light a fire, they cause damage, and then they move on, and, and that's their modus operandi.

— Dr. Peter Hotez

Your political allegiance, your identity actually became tied to not vaccinating your kid or to be skeptical of vaccines.

— Dr. Peter Hotez

I think it's overwhelmingly the genetics is the dominant factor, and yes, deterministic, and maybe there are some epigenetic influences.

— Dr. Peter Hotez

if we don't s- figure out a way to vaccinate the rest of the world, if we only vaccinate North America and Europe, it's gonna be a catastrophe.

— Dr. Peter Hotez

I think part of it is the fact that you're giving vaccines to, not for all, not in all cases, but in most cases, you're giving vaccines to well individuals to prevent them from getting sick.

— Dr. Peter Hotez

Shifting goalposts of the anti-vaccine movementThimerosal, vaccine spacing and the infant scheduleHib and HPV vaccinesPoliticization and targeting of communitiesGenetics of autism and Hotez's daughter RachelAutism diagnosis, prevalence and neurodiversityCOVID-19 vaccines, variants and boosters

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