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179 - Blood flow restriction—benefits, uses, & the relationship between muscle size and strength

Jeremy Loenneke has a Ph.D. in exercise physiology, a Master’s in nutrition and exercise, and is currently the director of the Kevser Ermin Applied Physiology Laboratory at the University of Mississippi, where he focuses his research on skeletal muscle adaptations to exercise in combination with blood flow restriction (BFR). In this episode, Jeremy explains the science of BFR and the mechanisms by which BFR training can produce hypertrophy using low loads. Here, he reviews anatomy and terminology of muscle structure and discusses the evidence that increasing muscular strength may not be dependent on increasing muscle size. Additionally, Jeremy goes into depth on how one might take advantage of BFR training, including practical applications for athletes and average people, as well as the situations for which BFR training would be most advantageous. Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://bit.ly/4c602k2 We discuss: 00:00:00 - intro 00:00:10 - Jeremy’s interest in exercise and weightlifting and his scientific training 00:05:24 - The microstructure and physiology of muscle 00:10:42 - Definitions of fast-twitch and slow-twitch muscle fibers 00:20:18 - Comparison of strength vs. hypertrophy 00:28:00 - Blood flow restriction training and the origins of the Kaatsu system 00:45:28 - The details and metrics related to exercise under blood flow restriction 00:54:25 - Considerations when training with blood flow restriction: loading, pace, rest, and risks 01:06:53 - Blood flow restriction studies and the relationship between muscle size and muscle strength 01:21:00 - Evidence that increasing muscular strength is not dependent on increasing the size of the muscle 01:32:35 - Practical applications of blood flow restriction training for athletes and average people 01:40:50 - Situations in which blood flow restriction training is most advantageous 01:46:02 - The mechanisms by which blood flow restriction training can produce so much hypertrophy at such low loads 01:54:26 - Applications of “passive” blood flow restriction training 01:59:15 - What experiments would Jeremy do if he had unlimited resources? Show notes page: https://peterattiamd.com/jeremyloenneke/ -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a weekly, ultra-deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing health, longevity, critical thinking…and a few other things. With over 30 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including fasting, ketosis, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter is a physician focusing on the applied science of longevity. His practice deals extensively with nutritional interventions, exercise physiology, sleep physiology, emotional and mental health, and pharmacology to increase lifespan (delay the onset of chronic disease), while simultaneously improving healthspan (quality of life). Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com Subscribe to receive exclusive subscriber-only content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGoogle

Peter AttiahostJeremy Loennekeguest
Oct 11, 20212h 7mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Jeremy Loenneke on Blood Flow Restriction, Muscle Growth, and Strength

  1. Loenneke explains that blood flow restriction (BFR) reduces but does not fully occlude blood flow, and is best set as a percentage (typically about 40%) of the individual's arterial occlusion pressure rather than one fixed pressure for everyone.
  2. BFR lets people use very light loads (around 20-30% of one-rep max) to produce muscle growth similar to heavy training with far less volume, making it useful for rehab, off days, variety, and efficient hypertrophy.
  3. Loenneke says the safety profile appears comparable to traditional exercise, with no evidence of increased clotting or structural muscle damage in mostly healthy people, though rare events may emerge as use grows.
  4. Loenneke questions the textbook idea that hypertrophy drives strength after an initial neural phase, arguing the original evidence only assumed this and that his own experiments and mediation analyses find no detectable contribution from muscle size.
  5. For maximal strength in a given lift, Loenneke says heavy, specific training is hard to replace, while passive BFR and progressive BFR use may help limit muscle loss and rebuild function after injury or surgery.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

BFR pressure should be personalized, not fixed

Early studies applied the same pressure to everyone regardless of blood pressure, limb size, or cuff size, whereas current practice measures arterial occlusion pressure and uses a percentage, typically 40%, of it.

Moderate and high pressures give similar muscle gains

Loenneke says 40% and 80-90% of occlusion pressure produce about the same size and strength adaptations, but the higher pressure is far more uncomfortable; some preliminary data suggest vascular changes may need higher pressure.

Repetition counts can act as a practical gauge in the gym

For someone without a Doppler, Loenneke suggests that with 20-30% loads you should get close to 30 reps on the first set and about 15 on later sets; if you can't, the load is too high or the wraps too tight, and pain before starting means too tight.

BFR adds nothing to heavy lifting

Combining BFR with high loads is not additive because heavy training is already a near-maximal stimulus, so BFR's value lies in making low loads effective.

The 'neural first, then hypertrophy' model rests on weak evidence

Loenneke traces the dogma to studies that inferred growth from EMG changes or assumed that any measurable growth must contribute to strength, and his experiments and mediation analyses find no detectable contribution, though he stops short of ruling it out.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

I think that the real utility of using blood flow restriction is the fact that you can use it with very low loads.

— Jeremy Loenneke

I do think that we're having an accumulating amount of evidence that's suggesting that if it does play a role, it is so small that we aren't able to ever detect it. So I am not sure that muscle growth in response to exercise is a mechanism.

— Jeremy Loenneke

It's about lifting heavy weight is the best way to get better at lifting heavy weight. It doesn't mean that you won't get stronger lifting lighter weight, but you won't be as strong as you were.

— Jeremy Loenneke

In my mind, the question, the important question is not is there a risk, but when we add blood flow restriction, does it increase the risk?

— Jeremy Loenneke

I would say that if you're in pain before you're starting, it's too tight.

— Jeremy Loenneke

Muscle microstructure and fiber typesOrigins of Kaatsu and BFR researchArterial occlusion pressure and cuff sizingLow-load BFR loading, pace, and restBFR safety, clotting, and muscle damageMuscle size versus strength causalityPassive BFR and rehabilitation

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