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#27 – David Sinclair, Ph.D.: Slowing aging – sirtuins, NAD, and the epigenetics of aging

Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://bit.ly/4c602k2 Original release date: 11/5/2018 In this episode, David A. Sinclair, Ph.D., a Professor in the Department of Genetics at Harvard Medical School and co-Director of the Paul F. Glenn Center for the Biological Mechanisms of Aging, provides insight into why we age and how to slow its effects based on his remarkable work on the role of sirtuins and NAD in health and diseases. He also presents the case that stabilizing the epigenetic landscape may be the linchpin in counteracting aging and disease. We discuss: -How and why David moved from Australia to Lenny Guarente’s lab at MIT [7:30]; -Sirtuins and aging [15:00]; -A series of experiments elucidating the mechanisms of sirtuins [20:45]; -How are sirtuins activated? [25:30]; -NAD and sirtuin activation [31:00]; -Nicotinamide, sirtuin inhibition, and PNC1 [39:00]; -Resveratrol [43:00]; -The NIH/ITP studies on resveratrol [55:45]; -Does David take any compounds for longevity? [1:00:15]; -NAD precursors (NR, NMN) and pterostilbene [1:02:45]; -Female fertility and NAD precursors [1:14:45]; -A unifying theory of aging [1:20:30]; -Waddington’s epigenetic landscape [1:23:00]; -If David had unlimited resources, what is the experiment he would do? [1:28:25]; -Testing combinations to extend lifespan [1:31:30]; -What made David aware of his mortality at such a young age? [01:33:45]; -What is David’s book going to cover? [01:37:15]; and -More. Show notes page: https://peterattiamd.com/davidsinclair/ About: The Peter Attia Drive is a weekly, ultra-deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing health, longevity, critical thinking…and a few other things. With over 10 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including fasting, ketosis, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter is the founder of Attia Medical, PC, a medical practice with offices in San Diego and New York City, focusing on the applied science of longevity. The practice applies nutritional biochemistry, exercise physiology, sleep physiology, techniques to increase distress tolerance, lipidology, pharmacology, and four-system endocrinology to increase lifespan (delaying the onset of chronic disease), while simultaneously improving healthspan (quality of life). Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com/ Subscribe to receive exclusive subscriber-only content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/ Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/ Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Play: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGooglePlay

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Jan 6, 20201h 41mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

David Sinclair on Sirtuins, NAD Precursors, Resveratrol and Epigenetic Aging

  1. Sinclair recounts his path from Australia to Lenny Guarente's MIT lab, where yeast genetics revealed that SIR2 silencing proteins are tied to aging through a role in DNA repair that distracts them from gene silencing.
  2. The conversation covers how NAD is required for sirtuin activity, why NAD levels fluctuate, and the mitochondrial oasis hypothesis showing mitochondrial NAD matters most for cell survival.
  3. Sinclair describes how resveratrol was found as a sirtuin activator and extended mouse lifespan on a Western diet in 2006, while later independent studies using regular food did not replicate the effect.
  4. He discusses NR and NMN supplements, open questions about tissue uptake and transport, his own use of resveratrol and metformin, and drug and fertility programs built on better NAD precursors.
  5. Sinclair presents his unpublished unifying theory that aging stems from loss of analog epigenetic information rather than damaged DNA, and argues that reversing it, and testing drugs in a roughly 5,000-person trial, is within reach.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Sirtuins act as ancient stress-response proteins that multitask

Sinclair says sirtuins evolved to sense stress and help organisms hunker down, but DNA breaks pull them away from silencing genes, and this distraction is conserved in aging mammals.

NAD levels are dynamic and compartment-specific

Sinclair's lab found NAD changes with age, diet, and stress, and that mitochondrial NAD can matter more for survival than cytoplasmic NAD.

Resveratrol worked in mice on a high-fat diet but not in regular food studies

Sinclair's 2006 study showed benefits in overfed mice, while later NIA-run studies feeding it in regular food found no lifespan extension; he cites poor solubility and absorption without fat as a likely issue.

High doses can activate other pathways and complicate interpretation

Sinclair notes that high-dose resveratrol also activated AMP kinase, so his lab now uses the minimum effective dose, and high-dose nicotinamide inhibits sirtuins via feedback.

NMN and NR evidence in humans is still mostly anecdotal

Sinclair hears many stories of improved athletic performance but says without placebo controls he knows no more than Peter Attia, which is why human trials and tissue-level NAD measurements by MRS are being planned.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

I've been interested in aging since I was four, since I realized that everybody and everything around me is gonna die.

— David Sinclair

They didn't evolve for longevity, they evolved for survival of during adversity.

— David Sinclair

I truly believe that if we can extend the lifespan of a yeast, a worm, and a, a mouse, humans are so close.

— David Sinclair

the compact disc of our lives is still intact when we're old, but it's as if we've got a scratched CD and the cells don't read the right genes at the right time anymore, and they lose their identity.

— David Sinclair

you have to be massively determined. You have to have grit. And I just wouldn't give up because there's nothing else I wanted to do in my life.

— David Sinclair

Sirtuins and gene silencingNAD and mitochondrial NADResveratrol history and dosingNR versus NMN supplementsEpigenetic information theory of agingNAD precursors and female fertilityDesigning human longevity trials

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