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Peter Attia MD#34 – Sam Harris, Ph.D.: The transformative power of mindfulness
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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Sam Harris and Peter Attia on Mindfulness, Suffering, Compassion, and Honesty
- Harris distinguishes concentration practices, which aim to absorb attention in one object, from mindfulness, which breaks the spell of being lost in thought and can be applied to any experience.
- Both men describe how observing anger, pain and traffic frustration reveals that emotions are short-lived and that suffering comes from reacting, anticipating and being unaware of one's thoughts.
- The conversation extends into compassion and moral luck, using loving-kindness practice, a prison visit, and the story of a driver who killed a cyclist to argue that people are products of causes they didn't choose.
- Harris describes Dzogchen as a non-dualistic path that recognizes the absence of a self at the center of consciousness, and warns that pleasurable meditative states do not by themselves make anyone a better person.
- Harris explains his commitment to never lying and discusses honesty in politics, the difficulty of apologizing in public life, and the possibility of understanding bad behavior neurologically.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasMindfulness is a different skill from concentration.
Harris says concentration practices try to hold attention on one object and can feel blissful, while mindfulness notices whatever arises and can accompany any experience. He cautions that pleasant states are impermanent and shouldn't be the point.
Pain and suffering can be separated.
Harris says meditation doesn't remove physical pain, but noticing the resistance, worry and anticipation around a sensation can change one's relationship to it. He adds that negative emotions have a short half-life once you stop being lost in thought about them.
Reframing can ease distress even without meditation.
Attia describes empathizing with a rude airline or TSA worker, and Harris adds examples like listening to podcasts in traffic or imagining an elderly driver. Harris notes these framing effects work without mindfulness, though the two can combine.
Moral luck supports compassion even for the worst people.
Harris argues that someone in another person's exact genetic and environmental situation would be that person. He cites Saddam Hussein and Charles Whitman's brain tumor, adding that compassion doesn't mean failing to protect society from dangerous people.
A retreat needs enough time to get past early resistance.
Harris says the first three days of a retreat are the hardest, so he recommends a week to ten days at minimum rather than three or four days. Longer retreats let people surrender to the practice.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesThere's no such thing as a boring object of attention. What boredom is is simply a lack of attention.
— Sam Harris
The crucial point there is that evolution doesn't care about your well-being.
— Sam Harris
Even if it's going to be negative, you can decide to suffer once or twice.
— Sam Harris
The difference between being angry for 10 minutes and 10 seconds and one second, those factors of 10 are enormous, right?
— Sam Harris
None of this stuff matters if you're miserable. It doesn't matter if you can live to 100. It doesn't matter if you can delay the onset of heart disease and stroke and cancer and Alzheimer's disease. If you're too miserable to appreciate it or if you're constantly in some sort of tormented state, you might as well be dead.
— Peter Attia
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