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Peter Attia MD#90 – Ryan Holiday: Stillness, stoicism, and suffering less
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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Ryan Holiday on Stoicism, Ego, Stillness, Death and Anger
- Holiday explains Stoicism as a practical philosophy built on controlling one's responses rather than the world, and uses the lives of Seneca, Cato, and Marcus Aurelius to show how complicated and flawed applying it can be.
- The two explore ego and craving versus fullness, using examples like Tiger Woods, Joseph Heller's idea of 'enough,' and cautionary business stories to argue that fullness is more sustainable than craving.
- Holiday describes stillness as something reachable in ordinary life through habits like walking, journaling, hobbies, phone boundaries, and presence with children, rather than only through retreats or meditation.
- They discuss memento mori, with Holiday citing Seneca's idea that we are already dying and that this view brings urgency, prioritization, and perspective to how time is spent.
- The conversation closes on anger, with Holiday arguing that Stoics were against temper, that anger rarely solves problems, and that seeing yourself angry would reduce it.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasStoicism centers on controlling your response, not the world.
Holiday says the core precept is that you don't control other people or events, only your reactions, and that the Stoics built this around the virtues of courage, justice, temperance, and wisdom.
Thinking of death as already underway sharpens how you use time.
Holiday cites Seneca's view that most of our time already belongs to death, which makes you aware that you are spending finite time and helps with prioritization and perspective.
Ego ties identity to results and often undermines them.
Holiday distinguishes ego from confidence and suggests warning signs such as feeling the world rests on you, paranoia, identifying with rankings or status, and comparing yourself to others; Attia adds caring more about being right than knowing the truth.
Fullness may be a more sustainable source of excellence than craving.
Holiday admits his view is a minority one, but argues that operating from 'enough' lets you perform at a high level without the corrosion of never being satisfied, citing the Heller story, Tiger Woods, and Joan Rivers' empty calendar.
Stillness is possible in the real world, not just on retreats.
Holiday points to walking, journaling, a non-competitive hobby, reducing expectations, and presence with his kids, and he warns that retreats are like a juice cleanse if you return to a chaotic life.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesSo I think stories are a great way to learn lessons about other people. Stories are a bad way to think about your own life.
— Ryan Holiday
It's like precisely the most dangerous high-stakes situations require our utmost cognitive and rational resources.
— Ryan Holiday
I think certainty is the enemy, because certainty is what you regret when you look back. It's not that you took a stand, or you thought this, or you said this. It's the tone with which you did it that you can come to regret.
— Ryan Holiday
I think sometimes we suffer, and we don't even know we're suffering. We've been suffering so long.
— Peter Attia
I wanna be using the phone rather than be used by the phone, which is what I think most of the time our use of these devices is, we're being used by the technology.
— Ryan Holiday
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