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The world’s most important doctor to millions in the war-torn villages of Sudan (#40 rebroadcast)

Watch the full episode and view show notes here: https://bit.ly/46kWZja Become a member to receive exclusive content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/ Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/ To support Tom’s mission and work, please visit: https://africanmissionhealthcare.org/donation/catena/ In this episode, Tom Catena, a missionary physician who runs Mother of Mercy Hospital in the Nuba Mountains in Sudan, describes some of his extraordinary work as the only doctor in a remote, war-torn region of Africa. In terms of individual lives saved, you could argue that there is no other person on the front lines doing more than Tom. Additionally, we explore the manner in which the Nuba people die, which is in striking contrast to the ubiquity of chronic disease and self-harm in the West, despite the extreme poverty and unimaginable suffering experienced by the Nuba people. Lastly, we discuss the lessons to be gleaned from the Nuba people, who, despite their suffering, live so harmoniously, happily, and resiliently. We discuss: 0:00:00 - Intro 0:05:15 - Background, medical training, and early days of missionary work in Africa 0:12:30 - Tom arrives at Mother of Mercy Hospital in the Nuba Mountains of Sudan, civil war breaks out, and his staff evacuates 0:37:00 - Learning surgery on the job and earning the trust of the community 0:47:45 - The amazing people of Nuba, and why Nuba feels like home to Tom 0:59:45 - NY Times article about Tom’s work, and Tom’s new venture on the board of the Aurora Prize Foundation, raising awareness and funds for other missionaries 1:12:00 - Tom’s mind-blowing ability to deal with chaos while seeing hundreds of patients per day 1:19:45 - The most afraid Tom has ever been, and how he copes with the emotional trauma of his daily experiences 1:30:00 - The basic tools, technologies, and medicines that Tom is lacking that could save many lives 1:35:15 - The logistical challenge of helping Tom’s hospital, and what Tom really needs 1:38:30 - Diseases in the adult population 1:55:45 - Living without possessions, finding meaning, and being a missionary 2:07:15 - Happiness, sense of purpose, and suicide: contrasting the US with Nuba 2:15:15 - Other than donations, is there a way people can help Tom and other similar causes? 2:18:30 - The food in Nuba 2:23:45 - Tom’s annual bout of malaria 2:26:00 - Patients Tom will never forget 2:31:00 - Resources for people wanting to get involved in helping Tom’s work 2:32:00 - Peter tells a story that defines Tom -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing longevity, and all that goes into that from physical to cognitive to emotional health. With over 70 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including exercise, nutritional biochemistry, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter Attia is the founder of Early Medical, a medical practice that applies the principles of Medicine 3.0 to patients with the goal of lengthening their lifespan and simultaneously improving their healthspan. Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGoogle Disclaimer: This podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing, or other professional healthcare services, including the giving of medical advice. No doctor-patient relationship is formed. The use of this information and the materials linked to this podcast is at the user's own risk. The content on this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they have, and they should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. I take conflicts of interest very seriously. For all of my disclosures and the companies I invest in or advise, please visit my website where I keep an up-to-date and active list of such companies. For a full list of our registered and unregistered trademarks, trade names, and service marks, please review our Terms of Use: https://peterattiamd.com/terms-of-use/

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Nov 20, 20232h 39mWatch on YouTube ↗

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Missionary Surgeon Tom Catena Describes Sole-Doctor Life in War-Torn Nuba Mountains

  1. Catena explains how he went from a mechanical engineering degree and Navy service to missionary work in Kenya and then to Mother of Mercy Hospital in the Nuba Mountains, where he arrived in 2008.
  2. When civil war broke out in 2011 and his expatriate staff evacuated, he stayed, taught himself anesthesia and a wide range of surgery, and treated bombing casualties with minimal equipment.
  3. He describes the logistics of supplying a hospital for roughly a million people, including truck shipments from Nairobi through checkpoints, no roads in the rainy season, and gaps in diagnostics and drugs such as Gleevec and HPV vaccine.
  4. He and Attia discuss the emotional cost of the work, the terror of being bombed, and how his faith and the resilience of the Nuba people sustain him.
  5. The conversation contrasts Nuba's community, low suicide rate, and minimalism with American consumerism, and closes with Catena's view that medicine is about helping one person at a time.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Catena stayed when his expatriate staff evacuated because there was nowhere else for the wounded to go.

He said no other hospital with surgical capability existed in the area, so leaving would mean patients dying; he described the decision as easy, and he and the sisters and priests who stayed shared that view.

He built surgical skills through apprenticeship rather than formal training.

In Kenya he spent seven and a half years learning from senior surgeons, always with someone nearby, and he says broad surgical breadth came at the cost of depth, with no laparoscopy or CT scanner.

Logistics, not only money, is the hospital's hardest problem.

Supplies come from Nairobi by truck through border harassment and 30 to 40 checkpoints, take about three weeks to reach a refugee camp, and then need a six-hour dirt-track trip, so the hospital orders a full year of supplies at once.

Resource limits force agonizing triage decisions.

Catena describes being unable to treat patients such as a woman with chronic myelogenous leukemia because Gleevec costs thousands per month, and he cannot refer patients elsewhere.

Nuba's disease and death patterns differ sharply from the US.

Catena reports hepatitis B around 20% in pregnant women, liver cancer, cervical cancer, and infections and trauma, while obesity, fatty liver, heart attacks, and dementia are essentially absent from his experience.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

In the end, medicine is individual. It's the beauty of our profession. And it's a huge privilege to have the opportunity to affect one person.

— Tom Catena

I think people look at Africa and say, you know, what you're doing is a drop in the ocean. I really like that story because when you're there, you don't see a drop in the ocean. You see a person.

— Tom Catena

I really do believe that the more detached you become, not like in this Buddhist kind of nirvana sense, but the more detached you are from, from things, the easier life is. It just simplifies your life.

— Tom Catena

The concept of community and what stuff belongs to you, what is a stranger, totally different than our outlook here. So when you're there, like, well, geez, who's really, really has it all, and who's doing the right thing? Which society is on the right track?

— Tom Catena

I don't think there's a human being on this planet who throws more starfish back in the water than you.

— Peter Attia

Path from engineering to missionary medicineEvacuation of staff and learning anesthesia and surgery on the jobAntonov bombings and trauma careLogistics and supply limits at the hospitalDisease patterns in Nuba versus the USFaith, minimalism, and sense of purposeAurora Prize and ways to support the work

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