Elon vs. Trump: The Feud That Never Ends | Pivot

Kara is joined by guest co-host Kristen Soltis Anderson, pollster and co-founder of Echelon Insights. They unpack the latest in Trump-world: a new round in the Trump vs. Elon saga, the $16 million settlement with Paramount, and a potential TikTok buyer. Plus, what the polls say about the “Big Beautiful Bill," and how NYC mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani is responding to Trump’s threats. #karaswisher #scottgalloway #pivotpodcast #trump #elonmusk #polls #polling #pollsters #paramount #tiktok #bigbeautifulbill #zohranmamdani #mamdani #nyc #tech #business #media #politics Timecodes: 00:00 Intro 00:58 Polling in the Age of Trump 7:21 Elon/Trump Feud Returns 20:30 The Fate of the “Big Beautiful Bill” 33:57 Paramount Settles with Trump 42:18 Trump Says He Has a TikTok Buyer 45:50 Trump Threatens to Arrest Mamdani 56:45 Predictions Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Kevin Oliver Audio Engineer: Ernie Indradat Production Assistance: Kate Gallagher Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot This episode is presented to you by IBM. https://ibm.com

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Jul 4, 20251h 1mWatch on YouTube ↗

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Released: July 4, 2025
Duration: 1h 1m
Channel: Pivot
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EPISODE DESCRIPTION

Kara is joined by guest co-host Kristen Soltis Anderson, pollster and co-founder of Echelon Insights. They unpack the latest in Trump-world: a new round in the Trump vs. Elon saga, the $16 million settlement with Paramount, and a potential TikTok buyer. Plus, what the polls say about the “Big Beautiful Bill," and how NYC mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani is responding to Trump’s threats. #karaswisher #scottgalloway #pivotpodcast #trump #elonmusk #polls #polling #pollsters #paramount #tiktok #bigbeautifulbill #zohranmamdani #mamdani #nyc #tech #business #media #politics Timecodes: 00:00 Intro 00:58 Polling in the Age of Trump 7:21 Elon/Trump Feud Returns 20:30 The Fate of the “Big Beautiful Bill” 33:57 Paramount Settles with Trump 42:18 Trump Says He Has a TikTok Buyer 45:50 Trump Threatens to Arrest Mamdani 56:45 Predictions Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Kevin Oliver Audio Engineer: Ernie Indradat Production Assistance: Kate Gallagher Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot This episode is presented to you by IBM. https://ibm.com

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EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Pivot, featuring Kara Swisher and Kristen Soltis Anderson, Elon vs. Trump: The Feud That Never Ends | Pivot explores elon, Trump, and America’s Fractured Politics: Polls, Power, Perception Kara Swisher and Republican pollster Kristen Soltis Anderson unpack the escalating feud between Elon Musk and Donald Trump over Trump’s “Big Beautiful Bill,” Musk’s third-party fantasies, and how public opinion data explains the current political realignment. They dive into why Americans hate the two-party system yet don’t actually want Musk-style libertarianism, and why Trump’s bill polls terribly despite GOP determination to pass it. The conversation expands to media lawsuits and “lawfare” against news outlets, bipartisan backlash to federal AI preemption, and Trump’s shifting stance on a TikTok sale. Finally, they analyze Zoran Mamdani’s insurgent New York mayoral primary win as a case study in populist, media-savvy politics and what it signals—and doesn’t—for Democrats nationwide.

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