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Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway discuss the U.S. and China temporarily putting their trade war on hold, and evaluate the damage that's been done. Then, President Trump is poised to accept a jet from Qatar to be the new Air Force One. Is this his griftiest grift yet? Plus, Pope Leo shares his thoughts on AI, Newark Airport chaos continues, and Elizabeth Holmes's partner starts a company that claims to be "the future of diagnostics." Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 12:04 U.S./China Trade Deal 18:01 Trump’s Luxury Plane from Qatar 23:34 Pope Mania 32:43 Newark Airport Chaos 39:08 Elizabeth Holmes’s Partner Has a New Company 43:17 OpenAI IPO? 46:50 Wins and Fails #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #china #tariffs #trade #trump #donaldtrump #luxury #planes #jets #qatar #pope #newpope #newark #newarkairport #elizabethholmes #billyevans #openai Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Kevin Oliver Audio Engineer: Ernie Indradat Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot

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May 12, 20251h 1mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Trump’s Qatar Jet, China Tariffs, Woke Pope: Grift Meets Geopolitics

  1. Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway bounce from personal travel stories and media-industry gossip into a broad discussion of American corruption, geopolitics, and tech. They dissect the US–China tariff rollback, arguing it exposes weak negotiation, harms US credibility, and advantages Europe and China. The pair then slam Trump’s $400M Qatar-funded Air Force One-style jet as blatant, destabilizing grift tied to a regime that bankrolls Hamas, before exploring the political implications of an American, tech-savvy Pope and ongoing culture wars. They close with concerns about crumbling US infrastructure, Elizabeth Holmes’ partner launching a Theranos-adjacent startup, and OpenAI’s likely IPO as an AI capital arms race.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

The US–China tariff ‘pause’ signals economic damage and weak strategy.

Galloway calls the move capitulation: swinging from 145% to 30% tariffs after markets and supply chains are rattled undermines US negotiating power, erodes dollar dominance, and nudges global partners toward China and Europe.

Trump’s Qatar plane deal exemplifies unprecedented, out-in-the-open corruption.

A Qatari-funded $400M jumbo jet for use as Air Force One and later Trump’s library effectively makes US policy look pay-for-play, especially given Qatar’s financial support for Hamas and deep ties to US universities.

Raising politicians’ salaries while enforcing zero-tolerance anti-corruption rules could reduce grift.

Galloway reiterates his ‘Singapore model’: pay US officials extremely well (e.g., $1M for representatives, $3M for senators, $10M for the president) but bar stock trading and crack down aggressively on any corruption.

An American, tech-literate pope is partly a global response to Trumpism.

They argue the Vatican chose a US pope to inject moral authority into a country in democratic and cultural crisis, while noting intra-Church battles between conservative and more progressive factions over values and modernity.

US air travel safety and reliability are being quietly undermined by neglect and politicized cuts.

Using Newark outages as an example, Galloway blames leadership that starves the FAA of resources and demoralizes air-traffic controllers, threatening a system that was deliberately over-engineered to have near-zero tolerance for failure.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

This is capitulation. You don’t levy 145% tariffs and then negotiate against yourself a week later.

Scott Galloway

Do you know how stupid this makes us look, that we need rich Qataris to buy the president a plane that’s manufactured here?

Scott Galloway

Trump, you’re a grifty grifter… he’s piling up the grift like you can’t believe.

Kara Swisher

The richest man in the world is killing the world’s poorest children.

Scott Galloway (quoting Bill Gates on Trump-era policies

We need to stop going after Trump; we should go after the foreign governments and the people enabling this.

Scott Galloway

US–China tariff rollback and its economic and reputational impactTrump’s $400M Qatar jet deal and broader foreign-influence griftPolitical and cultural implications of the new American Pope Leo XIVDeteriorating US aviation infrastructure and FAA/DoT governance issuesElizabeth Holmes’ partner raising money for a new diagnostics companyOpenAI–Microsoft partnership and the strategic logic of an OpenAI IPOMedia ecosystem shifts: TV vs. podcasts and the value of long-form segments

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