How Elon's OpenAI Lawsuit Backfired Spectacularly | Pivot

Kara and Scott discuss Elon Musk losing the OpenAI trial — just as they predicted. Then, OpenAI gears up for its next battle: a potential legal fight with Apple over ChatGPT’s integration into Siri and iOS. Plus, Trump’s stock trades, new details about SpaceX’s IPO and governance, and Spencer Pratt’s rise in the L.A. mayoral race. #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #ElonMusk #OpenAI #apple #datacenters #trump #spacex #billcassidy #spencerpratt 00:00 Intro 00:19 Elon Loses OpenAI Case 10:51 OpenAI vs. Apple 20:36 Data Center Opposition 28:29 Trump’s Investments 37:06 SpaceX IPO Details 45:50 Sen. Bill Cassidy Loses 53:50 Spencer Pratt’s Campaign 1:07:35 Wins and Fails Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Todd Wiseman Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial/ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com Have a suggestion for Kara’s Scott-free August guest co-hosts? Leave us a message at 855-51-PIVOT, email pivot@voxmedia.com, or tag us on Bluesky or Threads.

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May 19, 20261h 23mWatch on YouTube ↗

EPISODE INFO

Released: May 19, 2026
Duration: 1h 23m
Channel: Pivot
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EPISODE DESCRIPTION

Kara and Scott discuss Elon Musk losing the OpenAI trial — just as they predicted. Then, OpenAI gears up for its next battle: a potential legal fight with Apple over ChatGPT’s integration into Siri and iOS. Plus, Trump’s stock trades, new details about SpaceX’s IPO and governance, and Spencer Pratt’s rise in the L.A. mayoral race. #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #ElonMusk #OpenAI #apple #datacenters #trump #spacex #billcassidy #spencerpratt 00:00 Intro 00:19 Elon Loses OpenAI Case 10:51 OpenAI vs. Apple 20:36 Data Center Opposition 28:29 Trump’s Investments 37:06 SpaceX IPO Details 45:50 Sen. Bill Cassidy Loses 53:50 Spencer Pratt’s Campaign 1:07:35 Wins and Fails Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Todd Wiseman Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial/ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com Have a suggestion for Kara’s Scott-free August guest co-hosts? Leave us a message at 855-51-PIVOT, email pivot@voxmedia.com, or tag us on Bluesky or Threads.

SPEAKERS

Scott Galloway
host
NYU Stern marketing professor and entrepreneur, co-host of the Pivot podcast.
Kara Swisher
host
Technology journalist and podcast host, co-host of the Pivot podcast.

EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Pivot, featuring Scott Galloway and Kara Swisher, How Elon's OpenAI Lawsuit Backfired Spectacularly | Pivot explores musk loses OpenAI suit amid AI grift, governance, and backlash A jury swiftly rejects Elon Musk’s claim that OpenAI betrayed its nonprofit mission, and the hosts frame the lawsuit as sour-grapes legal theater that mostly distracts from the actual AI race.

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