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Kara and Scott unpack the Enhanced Games and Trump’s planned UFC fight at the White House. Then, they break down Pope Leo’s sweeping warning about AI, the DOJ’s new probe into E. Jean Carroll, and Elon Musk floating a merger between Tesla and SpaceX. Plus, Google overhauls search, Trump delays signing an AI executive order, and CBS pushes out “60 Minutes” correspondent Sharyn Alfonsi. #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #pope #ai #enhancedgames #UFC #EJeanCarroll #spacex #tesla #60minutes 00:00 Intro 00:32 Enhanced Games 3:50 White House UFC Event 7:07 The “Ugly” Campaign Against James Talarico 11:14 DOJ Launches E. Jean Carroll Probe 15:50 Pope’s AI Encyclical 26:29 AI News 41:31 SpaceX + Tesla? 54:04 “60 Minutes” Hiring and Firing 1:01:52 Predictions Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Todd Wiseman Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial/ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com

Scott GallowayhostKara Swisherhost
May 29, 20261h 9mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Pope Leo’s AI encyclical sparks debate on regulation and power

  1. Pope Leo XIV’s first AI-focused encyclical frames AI as non-neutral, warns about concentrated power, and calls for regulation, child protections, and meaningful human control of weapons.
  2. Swisher and Galloway argue the U.S. is failing to implement basic AI guardrails, citing a reportedly postponed executive order after industry pushback as evidence of Silicon Valley’s influence on policy.
  3. They discuss how AI’s costs (tokens, infrastructure) are becoming visible to CFOs, creating pressure to prove ROI and potentially driving companies toward cheaper Chinese open-weight models.
  4. The episode situates AI debates inside broader U.S. political dynamics, including alleged DOJ weaponization against Trump critics and culture-war tactics aimed at opponents like James Talarico.
  5. They also cover major business/media signals—rumored Musk consolidation of SpaceX and Tesla, index-fund mechanics forcing retail exposure to IPOs, and turmoil at “60 Minutes” over editorial independence.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

The Pope’s core claim is that AI is a power problem, not a gadget problem.

Both hosts emphasize Leo XIV’s argument that technology “is never neutral” because it reflects the incentives and values of builders, funders, and regulators—making governance and accountability central.

A minimal pre-release review for frontier models is being treated like an existential threat—when it looks like a baseline safety step.

They describe the shelved proposal for a 90-day government security review before public release and compare it to far slower approval regimes (e.g., drugs), arguing AI firms are lobbying to delay inevitable oversight.

Child development is an under-discussed, high-stakes AI externality.

Galloway argues that outsourcing writing and schoolwork to AI removes the “friction” that builds reasoning and capability, and that synthetic intimacy (AI companions/porn) could reduce real-world social risk-taking and growth.

AI enthusiasm may hinge on whether people believe the state can protect them from harms.

They cite survey comparisons: far higher AI trust and adoption enthusiasm in China than the U.S., attributing it to China’s more explicit rules (identity disclosure, emotional interaction constraints, accountability) and perceived state capacity.

The AI boom is running into a CFO reality check: token spending must map to consumer value.

Using Uber as an example (burning through a yearly AI tooling/token budget in months), they predict a pullback if firms can’t show measurable improvements—forcing vendors and internal teams to justify costs and reduce waste.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Here's a technology that is potentially more dangerous than nuclear weapons. We didn't let Oppenheimer start a company and start selling bombs to China.

Scott Galloway

Artificial intelligence needs to be disarmed. The word is strong, I know, but deliberately chosen because this moment needs words capable of attracting attention, awakening consciences, and indicating paths forward for humanity.

Pope Leo XIV

In practice, however, technology is never neutral because it takes on the characteristics of those who devise, finance, regulate, and use it.

Kara Swisher

Ukraine has coders and hoodies turning Home Depot into Lockheed Martin.

Scott Galloway

This is not only corruption, it's a terrorist immunization fund.

Scott Galloway

Pope Leo XIV’s AI encyclical and moral framingAI regulation vs. innovation and censorship argumentsChildren, education, and “defrictioning” of learningFrontier-model security review and national oversightToken costs, AI ROI skepticism, and enterprise spendingChina’s AI governance and public trust comparisonsMusk corporate consolidation, IPO/index rules, and media pressure

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