How Trump’s Fight With the Pope Backfired | Pivot

Kara and Scott break down Trump lashing out against the Pope and right-wing media figures, and his next moves for Iran after peace talks fail. Then, Viktor Orban loses in Hungary, and his concession is a surprising win for democracy. Plus, Eric Swalwell drops out of the California governor’s race and Congress, Scott Bessent warns banks about Anthropic’s Mythos model, and Hollywood heavyweights push back on the Paramount–Warner Bros. deal. #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #pope #trump #iran #viktororban #hungary #ericswalwell #scottbessent #anthropic #mythos #paramount #warnerbros 00:00 Intro 00:53 Trump vs. Pope 6:18 Strait of Hormuz Blockade 14:58 Orban Loses in Hungary 21:08 Rep. Eric Swalwell Suspends Campaign 30:50 Bessent’s Anthropic Warning 33:37 Sam Altman Targeted 40:58 News Roundup 46:31 Wins and Fails Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Kate Gallagher Video Producer: Rich Shibley Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial/ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com

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Apr 14, 202657mWatch on YouTube ↗

EPISODE INFO

Released: April 14, 2026
Duration: 57m
Channel: Pivot
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EPISODE DESCRIPTION

Kara and Scott break down Trump lashing out against the Pope and right-wing media figures, and his next moves for Iran after peace talks fail. Then, Viktor Orban loses in Hungary, and his concession is a surprising win for democracy. Plus, Eric Swalwell drops out of the California governor’s race and Congress, Scott Bessent warns banks about Anthropic’s Mythos model, and Hollywood heavyweights push back on the Paramount–Warner Bros. deal. #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #pope #trump #iran #viktororban #hungary #ericswalwell #scottbessent #anthropic #mythos #paramount #warnerbros 00:00 Intro 00:53 Trump vs. Pope 6:18 Strait of Hormuz Blockade 14:58 Orban Loses in Hungary 21:08 Rep. Eric Swalwell Suspends Campaign 30:50 Bessent’s Anthropic Warning 33:37 Sam Altman Targeted 40:58 News Roundup 46:31 Wins and Fails Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Kate Gallagher Video Producer: Rich Shibley Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial/ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com

SPEAKERS

Scott Galloway
host
Business professor and author; co-host of Pivot, known for commentary on tech, business, and politics.
Kara Swisher
host
Journalist covering tech and politics; co-host of Pivot and longtime Silicon Valley reporter.

EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Pivot, featuring Scott Galloway and Kara Swisher, How Trump’s Fight With the Pope Backfired | Pivot explores trump Feuds, Iran Escalation, and Tech Backlash Shape Turbulent Week They argue Trump’s public attack on Pope Leo is strategically pointless and risks alienating key Christian constituencies while showcasing erratic, grievance-driven behavior.

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