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Kara and Scott unpack the Enhanced Games and Trump’s planned UFC fight at the White House. Then, they break down Pope Leo’s sweeping warning about AI, the DOJ’s new probe into E. Jean Carroll, and Elon Musk floating a merger between Tesla and SpaceX. Plus, Google overhauls search, Trump delays signing an AI executive order, and CBS pushes out “60 Minutes” correspondent Sharyn Alfonsi. #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #pope #ai #enhancedgames #UFC #EJeanCarroll #spacex #tesla #60minutes 00:00 Intro 00:32 Enhanced Games 3:50 White House UFC Event 7:07 The “Ugly” Campaign Against James Talarico 11:14 DOJ Launches E. Jean Carroll Probe 15:50 Pope’s AI Encyclical 26:29 AI News 41:31 SpaceX + Tesla? 54:04 “60 Minutes” Hiring and Firing 1:01:52 Predictions Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Todd Wiseman Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial/ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com

Scott GallowayhostKara Swisherhost
May 29, 20261h 9mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. Enhanced Games: doping as spectacle, venture-backed “no rules” sports

    Kara explains the Enhanced Games concept—athletes openly using performance-enhancing drugs to chase records—and notes the investor roster and early underwhelming results. They riff on what “enhancement” means culturally and why the event feels like a publicly traded provocation as much as a sporting competition.

  2. Masculinity, violence, and emotional regulation

    Scott and Kara pivot from fighting to broader claims about gender, violence statistics, and the social expectations that shape behavior. Scott emphasizes emotional regulation as a core maturity skill, while Kara pushes back on framing and generalizations about “feminine” vs. “masculine.”

  3. UFC on the White House lawn: politics as combat sports branding

    They react to plans for a UFC cage event at the White House, calling it clownish yet politically savvy. Scott argues the event is effective marketing to signal pro-“masculinity” alignment and speak to young men’s anxieties, even if the masculinity on display is “dominant” and distorted.

  4. The ‘ugly’ campaign against James Talarico: trans panic and ‘soy boy’ politics

    Kara describes an attack campaign framing Texas politician James Talarico as trans/gay/effeminate and argues it’s toxic yet potentially effective in certain electorates. They unpack why calling someone trans is meant as a slur, what it signals about the attacker, and how campaigns should respond.

  5. DOJ probe into E. Jean Carroll: retaliation, perjury claims, and weaponized government

    They discuss the DOJ opening a criminal investigation into E. Jean Carroll after her civil victories against Trump, framing it as part of a pattern of targeting opponents. Kara plays a clip of Carroll’s defiant stance; Scott notes perjury is serious in principle but questions relevance and proportionality.

  6. Pope Leo XIV’s AI encyclical: ‘disarm AI’ and put human dignity first

    A listener prompts discussion of Pope Leo’s first encyclical on AI, which praises potential benefits while warning about power concentration and dehumanization. Kara and Scott highlight the Pope’s focus on who builds AI, child protection, autonomous weapons, and the moral hazard of outsourcing judgment and intimacy.

  7. Google Search’s AI redesign and the new search competition (DuckDuckGo, Claude, etc.)

    They review Google’s biggest search overhaul in decades and the bump in DuckDuckGo interest, as users worry about reduced linking to external sites. Scott calls it a bold defensive move; Kara notes she increasingly uses multiple tools and often turns to AI assistants instead of traditional search.

  8. Frontier AI oversight derailed: David Sacks, Trump, and the regulation fight

    They cover a postponed executive order that would have required frontier model review before release, reportedly after industry pushback led by David Sacks. Scott argues AI may be more dangerous than nuclear weapons and compares the lack of governance to letting Oppenheimer sell bombs; Kara frames it as Silicon Valley influence overriding public interest.

  9. Trust gap: why China’s AI regulation drives higher public confidence

    Scott cites survey data showing Chinese citizens trust and embrace AI far more than Americans, attributing it to visible governance and guardrails. Kara adds that job stability concerns push China to manage AI adoption tightly, while U.S. mistrust fuels local backlash like data center protests.

  10. AI ROI reality check: token costs, CFO scrutiny, and the ‘is it cheaper to hire humans?’ question

    They dig into ballooning AI spend—Uber burning through a coding-tools budget and CFOs struggling to show ROI. Kara shares Mark Cuban’s question about token economics possibly making humans cheaper; Scott notes even premium subscriptions can be loss-leading due to infrastructure costs, setting up a coming reckoning on measurable benefits.

  11. Elasticity and ‘apocalypse no’: will cheaper AI increase usage (and even hiring)?

    Scott argues that as AI costs drop, demand and use cases expand—potentially offsetting job-loss narratives. Kara agrees costs should fall but emphasizes today’s economics are still expensive and uneven, particularly for heavy enterprise usage.

  12. Elon’s corporate mash-up: SpaceX + Tesla rumors and index-fund consequences

    They discuss recurring rumors Musk will combine SpaceX and Tesla as SpaceX nears an IPO, plus military contracts boosting SpaceX. Kara suggests consolidation can mask weaknesses and force broad market ownership via indices; Scott frames it as bundling a “Snow White” asset with problematic ‘dwarfs’ and hype-driven valuation support.

  13. ‘60 Minutes’ turmoil: Nick Bilton hired, Sharyn Alfonsi pushed out, and newsroom chill

    Kara reports on Nick Bilton becoming executive producer while correspondent Sharyn Alfonsi’s contract isn’t renewed, which she calls political retaliation for accurate reporting. Scott broadens it into a management lesson: large institutions often reject ‘startup’ change agents, and leaders should support star talent rather than try to ‘reinfect’ the culture.

  14. Predictions / wins & fails: Ukraine’s asymmetric innovation and a ‘terrorist immunization fund’

    Scott’s ‘win’ highlights Ukraine’s deep strikes inside Russia and the broader lesson that innovation can beat authoritarian corruption and propaganda. His ‘fail’ is a proposed Trump-linked slush fund framed (via Timothy Snyder) as a “terrorist immunization fund,” incentivizing political violence with protection and payment.

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