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Esther Perel: Relationships and How They Shape Us | Feel Better Live More Podcast

As human beings, relationships are fundamental to who we are. We know that relationships can be a big source of happiness and fulfillment in our lives but they can also be one of the major sources of stress.

Esther PerelguestGreat Minds Dr. Rangan Chatterjeehost
Jun 30, 20201h 15mWatch on YouTube

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Esther Perel on Relationships as Stories That Shape Who We Are

  1. Esther Perel argues that the self cannot be separated from relationships, since we only know ourselves through our interactions and each relationship is a co-created story.
  2. She says criticism in a relationship often hides a wish, and that rewriting the story behind it can change how partners respond to each other.
  3. Perel traces how marriage moved from survival to love to a vehicle for self-actualization, leaving one partner to meet needs once met by a whole community and adding pressure to be happy.
  4. Using Chatterjee's own marriage, she shows how differences between loyalty and autonomy shaped by upbringing and culture can cause friction that is easy to misread as personal failing.
  5. She recommends rituals, routines and boundaries, plus listening, entering hard conversations with a 'yes' state, and keeping play and pleasure alive, and she links these ideas to her podcasts on couples and on work.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

The self is relational, not separate from relationships.

Perel says the idea that you must know or love yourself first never made sense to her, because you only know yourself through interactions with others. We make the relationship, and the relationship makes us.

Behind a criticism there is usually a wish.

Perel reads a spouse's complaint that you give your best to work and the leftovers at home as a wish for that same focused attention. Responding with 'thank you for reminding me' rather than defensiveness changes the next layer of the story.

We see our reactions but not our actions.

Perel says people notice what others do to them but miss what they do to others, so real awareness is both/and. The relationship is the space in between, the cycle of what each draws out of the other.

Modern relationships carry unprecedented expectations.

Perel describes a shift from marrying for survival to love, then to self-actualization, with one person now asked to provide what a village once did. Happiness has become a mandate, which adds self-doubt alongside freedom.

Upbringing around autonomy or loyalty shapes conflict.

Perel asks whether people were raised for autonomy or for loyalty and interdependence. She reads Chatterjee's early friction with his wife as his performing family loyalty while she claimed autonomy, a values difference more than a personal flaw.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

We make the relationship, and the relationship makes us, and the relationship is the dynamic between you and me. It's the space in between.

— Esther Perel

Most often, behind a criticism, there is a wish.

— Esther Perel

Today, we ask one person in the West to give us what once an entire village used to provide, and that is a tall order for a party of two.

— Esther Perel

If you want to change the other, change yourself. You can wait for other people to change for a long time, but you can at any moment decide that you're gonna do something different.

— Esther Perel

The essence of a conversation is not so much in what you say but in how you listen.

— Esther Perel

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Relationships as co-created storiesThe relational selfRewriting toxic relationship narrativesHistory of marriage and modern expectationsAutonomy versus loyalty and cultural backgroundRituals, routines and boundariesDifficult conversations and workplace relationships

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SPEAKERS

  • Esther Perel

    guestGreat Minds guide

    Psychotherapist and relationship expert, known for the podcasts "Where Should We Begin?" and "How’s Work?".

  • Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

    host

    Medical doctor and host of the "Feel Better, Live More" podcast.

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