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Do women write more banned books?

Shannon Hale is the author of more than 50 books for all ages, including the Princess Academy series and her graphic novel memoirs. In this episode, Adam and his daughter Joanna (a longtime fan of Shannon’s books) talk to Shannon about the powerful lessons books teach us about empathy, and take a closer look at how stories can either reinforce or dismantle the gender stereotypes kids learn early on. The three lament the decline in leisure reading, and brainstorm ways to nurture new readers and keep students interested in books. Host & Guest Adam Grant (Instagram: @adamgrant | LinkedIn: @adammgrant | Website: https://adamgrant.net/) Shannon Hale (Instagram: @squeetus | Website: https://shannonhale.com/) Join us in person at a TED conference: https://tedtalks.social/events Become a TED Member to support our mission: https://ted.com/membership Subscribe to a TED newsletter: https://ted.com/newsletters Follow TED! X: https://www.twitter.com/TEDTalks Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ted Facebook: https://facebook.com/TED LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/ted-conferences TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tedtoks Podcasts: https://www.ted.com/podcasts The TED Audio Collective is a collection of podcasts for the curious. The TED Audio Collective videos may be used for non-commercial purposes under a Creative Commons License, Attribution–Non Commercial–No Derivatives (or the CC BY – NC – ND 4.0 International) and in accordance with our TED Talks Usage Policy (https://www.ted.com/about/our-organiz...). For more information on using TED for commercial purposes (e.g. employee learning, in a film or online course), please submit a Media Request at https://media-requests.ted.com.

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Jan 9, 20260mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 0:30

    Why books spark challenges: empathy as a “powerful tool”

    Shannon Hale argues that books are frequently targeted because they build empathy, which can reshape how readers understand people unlike themselves. She frames this as a central reason some groups seek to restrict what young people read.

    • Books function as powerful tools for developing empathy
    • Challenges and bans are connected to fear of what empathy enables
    • Reading can broaden who children relate to and care about
    • The conflict is framed as social, not just literary
  2. 0:30

    Patterns in bans: women authors and marginalized protagonists disproportionately targeted

    Hale observes that many challenged and banned books are written by women and feature female characters. She adds that stories by and about LGBTQ people and people of color are also frequent targets.

    • Banned/challenged titles often authored by women
    • Female protagonists are disproportionately represented among targets
    • Books with LGBTQ characters/themes are commonly challenged
    • Authors and characters of color are frequently targeted
  3. Control over empathy: limiting which lives kids are encouraged to understand

    Hale describes a broader movement aimed at narrowing the range of identities and experiences children are allowed to empathize with. The underlying goal, she suggests, is to shape social attitudes by restricting exposure to certain narratives.

    • Efforts to limit who children learn to empathize with
    • Restrictions often track along gender, sexuality, and race
    • Empathy is treated as something that can be politically managed
    • Narrative access influences what feels “normal” or acceptable
  4. Narrative power dynamics: who gets stories, who gets to be the hero

    She frames book bans as a struggle over narrative control—deciding whose stories are told and who is allowed to be centered as a hero. This gatekeeping, she argues, determines whose humanity and agency are publicly affirmed.

    • Bans function as a means of controlling the narrative
    • Decisions about representation determine who is visible
    • Hero narratives shape perceived worth and belonging
    • Storytelling is linked to real-world status and power
  5. Societal consequences: how story control can shape governance and norms

    Hale concludes that controlling stories has downstream effects on society, influencing governance and what people tolerate or resist. Narrative boundaries can translate into political and cultural boundaries.

    • Narrative control affects real societal power structures
    • Stories influence public values and policy preferences
    • Representation can shift what communities will “put up with”
    • Book challenges are connected to broader governance and norm-setting

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