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Do women write more banned books?

Shannon Hale is the author of more than 50 books for all ages, including the Princess Academy series and her graphic novel memoirs. In this episode, Adam and his daughter Joanna (a longtime fan of Shannon’s books) talk to Shannon about the powerful lessons books teach us about empathy, and take a closer look at how stories can either reinforce or dismantle the gender stereotypes kids learn early on. The three lament the decline in leisure reading, and brainstorm ways to nurture new readers and keep students interested in books. Host & Guest Adam Grant (Instagram: @adamgrant | LinkedIn: @adammgrant | Website: https://adamgrant.net/) Shannon Hale (Instagram: @squeetus | Website: https://shannonhale.com/) Join us in person at a TED conference: https://tedtalks.social/events Become a TED Member to support our mission: https://ted.com/membership Subscribe to a TED newsletter: https://ted.com/newsletters Follow TED! X: https://www.twitter.com/TEDTalks Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ted Facebook: https://facebook.com/TED LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/ted-conferences TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tedtoks Podcasts: https://www.ted.com/podcasts The TED Audio Collective is a collection of podcasts for the curious. The TED Audio Collective videos may be used for non-commercial purposes under a Creative Commons License, Attribution–Non Commercial–No Derivatives (or the CC BY – NC – ND 4.0 International) and in accordance with our TED Talks Usage Policy (https://www.ted.com/about/our-organiz...). For more information on using TED for commercial purposes (e.g. employee learning, in a film or online course), please submit a Media Request at https://media-requests.ted.com.

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Jan 9, 20260mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Banned books, empathy, and who gets to be the hero

  1. Books are described as powerful tools of empathy that expand who readers understand and care about.
  2. The speaker claims that many challenged or banned books are written by women and center female characters.
  3. She adds that books about LGBTQ characters and about/by people of color are also disproportionately targeted.
  4. The underlying motivation is framed as an attempt by some groups to limit which communities children learn to empathize with.
  5. Censorship is presented as a power dynamic: controlling narratives influences who is seen as heroic and can affect real-world governance and social norms.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Book bans are framed as attempts to restrict empathy.

The transcript argues that stories help readers identify with others, and challenges aim to narrow which identities and experiences children are allowed to emotionally connect with.

Women’s authorship and female-centered stories are portrayed as frequent targets.

Hale claims that a majority of challenged/banned books are written by women and/or focus on female characters, suggesting gendered patterns in censorship.

LGBTQ and racial representation are central flashpoints in challenges.

The speaker notes that books featuring LGBTQ characters and those written by/about people of color are commonly challenged, linking bans to broader conflicts over inclusion.

Narrative control is described as a form of social power.

By controlling “who gets to have stories told,” challengers can influence which groups are viewed as worthy, complex, or heroic in the cultural imagination.

Representation affects real-world tolerance and policy outcomes.

Hale argues that who appears as the hero (and whose stories are available) shapes what society will “put up with,” influencing governance and civic norms.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

I personally believe that it's because they are such pow- powerful tools of empathy.

Shannon Hale

And what I see quite often is the majority of books that are challenged and banned are written by women and about female characters, are written and about LGBTQ characters, and are written by and about authors and characters of color.

Shannon Hale

So there is a movement by some people to try to limit who their kids learn to empathize with.

Shannon Hale

There is a power dynamic at play.

Shannon Hale

When you can control the narrative, when you can control who gets to have stories told about them, who gets to be the hero, that has a real effect in our actual society and how things are governed and what people are gonna put up with and what they're not gonna put up with

Shannon Hale

Books as empathy enginesDisproportionate targeting of women authorsBans involving LGBTQ narrativesCensorship of authors/characters of colorControlling narrative and cultural powerHeroes, representation, and social legitimacyDownstream effects on politics and governance

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