Re:Thinking with Adam GrantHow leaders build a collective identity with Vanessa Beasley | ReThinking
At a glance
WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
How leaders use rhetoric, listening, and media to create “we”
- Vanessa Beasley explains “constitutive rhetoric”: leadership speech doesn’t just persuade, it tells people who they are as a collective “we.”
- She traces how presidential rhetoric evolved alongside media changes, from early nation-building identity claims to radio-era direct address and Reagan’s television-driven storytelling and visuals.
- Beasley and Adam Grant discuss why leaders must first secure agreement on a shared problem—especially in an era of contested facts—before proposing solutions that people will accept.
- They warn that “us vs. them” framing is both unavoidable and dangerous because leaders can amplify threats to gain consent for concentrated authority.
- The conversation extends into higher education leadership: translating ideals (truth, learning) into practices, teaching listening and non-reactivity, and experimenting with intensive “monk mode” learning formats that combine psychological safety with high accountability.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasLeaders don’t just deliver messages—they constitute a community.
Beasley argues that the core power of presidential speech is not just to motivate actions but to define who the audience is—creating a shared “we” that people can feel and inhabit. This identity is repeatedly rebuilt as conditions and communication channels change.
Media evolution reshapes what leadership rhetoric can and should do.
She links shifts in presidential leadership to shifts in communication technology: as media enabled direct address (telegraph/newspapers → radio → TV), norms about what presidents “should” do changed. Roosevelt’s direct-to-public style and Reagan’s TV-era narrative/visual identity-building are highlighted as turning points.
Threat construction is a common route to authority—and a major risk.
Identity-building rhetoric almost always implies an “us” and a “them,” and leaders can intensify fear by making “them” feel urgent and existential. That dynamic can lead people to cede agency to leaders who promise safety—one pathway to expanded hard power.
Start with shared problems; solutions fail when people reject the premise.
Drawing on persuasion models (e.g., Monroe’s Motivated Sequence) and Grant’s point about “solution aversion,” they argue leaders need agreement on a shared problem before proposing solutions. Today that’s harder because contested facts and fragmented media make even problem-definition difficult.
Abstract values unify superficially; translation and precision create alignment.
Beasley warns against “ideographs” like “liberty” or “truth” being treated as self-evident; people can agree on the word but disagree radically on meaning. Leaders should ask for precision and translate ideals into practices rather than assuming shared interpretations.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesI don't think we have a learning how to speak problem. I think everybody and their brother has a way to speak and a podcast and, you know. I think we have a learning how to listen problem.
— Vanessa Beasley
I'm more interested in the constitutive part. Who does that leader tell you you are in that moment? How does that leader build community through their words? What are they constituting as an audience?
— Vanessa Beasley
Washington had to say basically, "We're not them." And all constitutive, or again, identity-building rhetoric, has an us and a them.
— Vanessa Beasley
I always say the most, the two most dangerous words are us and them, not necessarily for the obvious reasons, but because we can't live without them.
— Vanessa Beasley
Listening doesn't mean agreeing. Listening doesn't mean that your ideas have to be threatened.
— Vanessa Beasley
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