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Jacob Collier on how music impacts us

@jacobcollier is a Grammy-winning musician, an exceptional teacher and communicator, and a rousing innovator onstage. Jacob joins Adam in front of a live audience at TED to give an interactive performance and share his perspective on audience participation, his insights on communication, and his unconventional approach to making music that defies genre. They also discuss Jacob’s strategy for dealing with hecklers, his “harmonically irresponsible” covers of popular songs, and the innate human desire to wiggle. Host & Guest Host: Adam Grant (Instagram: @adamgrant | LinkedIn: @adammgrant | Website: https://adamgrant.net/) Guest: Jacob Collier (Instagram: @jacobcollier | YouTube: @JacobCollier | Website: https://www.jacobcollier.com/) Join us in person at a TED conference: https://tedtalks.social/events Become a TED Member to support our mission: https://ted.com/membership Subscribe to a TED newsletter: https://ted.com/newsletters Follow TED! X: https://www.twitter.com/TEDTalks Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ted Facebook: https://facebook.com/TED LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/ted-conferences TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tedtoks Podcasts: https://www.ted.com/podcasts The TED Audio Collective is a collection of podcasts for the curious. The TED Audio Collective videos may be used for non-commercial purposes under a Creative Commons License, Attribution–Non Commercial–No Derivatives (or the CC BY – NC – ND 4.0 International) and in accordance with our TED Talks Usage Policy (https://www.ted.com/about/our-organiz...). For more information on using TED for commercial purposes (e.g. employee learning, in a film or online course), please submit a Media Request at https://media-requests.ted.com.

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CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 0:05

    Augmented triad: the “eyes widening” harmonic effect

    Jacob Collier demonstrates how an augmented triad is formed by stretching the top note of a standard triad. He connects the sound to a physical/emotional sensation—like your eyes widening—showing how harmony can feel embodied.

    • Defines a triad as a three-note chord
    • Explains “augmented” as making the chord bigger by raising the top note
    • Demonstrates the distinct color/tension of an augmented triad
    • Links a harmonic change to a visceral human reaction
  2. 0:05 – 0:41

    Diminished chord: shrinking harmony into unease

    He contrasts augmented harmony with diminished harmony, describing a diminished chord as a triad that has been “shrunk.” The sonic result is presented as more unstable and psychologically charged.

    • Defines diminished harmony as compressing/shrinking the triad
    • Demonstrates the characteristic tense, unsettled diminished sound
    • Frames chord quality as emotional narrative, not just theory
    • Highlights how small interval changes dramatically shift feel
  3. 0:41 – 0:45

    Intervals underneath: naming the dissonant building blocks

    Collier points to the basic intervals that create these chord colors, calling out a particularly harsh interval (a diminished second). He uses it to illustrate what musicians describe as dissonance.

    • Introduces intervals as the foundation of chords
    • Names an example interval: diminished second
    • Describes the interval as less “friendly” in sound
    • Defines the experience as dissonance
  4. 0:45 – 1:51

    Dissonance isn’t “bad”: it can be devastatingly beautiful

    He challenges the simple idea that consonance is good and dissonance is bad, arguing that dissonance can be profoundly beautiful. The key is context and control—how and when tension is introduced and resolved.

    • Rejects the binary of “bad dissonance” vs “good consonance”
    • Claims dissonance can be beautiful and emotionally powerful
    • Emphasizes control of dissonance as an artistic skill
    • Suggests tension increases meaning in harmony
  5. 1:51

    Tension and release: why music moves us

    Collier expands from harmony to the broader mechanics of musical emotion: tensions and releases over time. He notes that dissonance/consonance interact with rhythm, repetition, and time to shape the journey of a piece.

    • Music’s emotional impact comes from tension-and-release arcs
    • Harmony (dissonance/consonance) is one major driver
    • Rhythm, time, and repetition also create motion and meaning
    • A musical piece is a path shaped by controlled contrasts
  6. Music mirrors speech and culture: why it naturally affects us

    He concludes by arguing that the same ingredients that shape music also exist in speech, culture, and the observable world. Because these patterns are already human and familiar, it’s no surprise that music affects us so deeply.

    • Musical dynamics resemble patterns in speech
    • Cultural rhythms and repetitions parallel musical structures
    • Music reflects observable tensions and resolutions in life
    • Explains music’s impact as rooted in human experience

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